WAGNER, JAMES

ACTUAL RECORDS

 

His older ads claims here that he has special forces experience http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Cop-DVD-Sgt-Wagner/dp/B0007YN6UK

 

 

 

Don't miss the martial arts forum discussion on this:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72918

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20040610232722/www.jimwagnertraining.com/

Jim Wagner in 2004, after the police reserves and before the California state military reserves, displaying the rank of Sergeant.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040603072226/www.realfighting.com/issue6/wagnerframe.html    -Wagner sent in the above for an 2004 article for www.Realfighting.com,

Delivered-To: info@pownetwork.org
From: BadKarma99@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:08:12 EDT
Subject: Rebutal to Jim L Wagner
To: info@pownetwork.org

 
Mr Wagner,
I go by the screen name JimH.
I have been in the Military serving in the
US Marines in US Marine Security Forces Europe.(1974-1977)
I served 9 years with the 11th Special Forces serving 8 of those years on an A Team as the Engineer Sgt.(1981-1990)
I am Jump and SCUBA Qualified and have attended and graduated from other International Military Schools and Courses.
I also attended your first course in NYC August 2003. 
I have defended your art on many forums as the materials being usable and doable,though very basic.
My problem is the Hyped Up Misinformation that you use to sell your Course.
I believe that you exaggerate your life for the sale of your course.

You quoted me as saying the following about you:
"3 months riding on a plane makes someone an anti terrorist  
specialist, lol."

Well Sir,I know people who were the First Sky Marshalls and Sky Marshalls since inception through to Air Marshalls.
Before 9/11 the sky/air Marshall program was on the tail end ,almost extinct.
They were ANTI HIJACKERS and still are.

It seems Anti Terror specialists has become the Big Name to throw out like Special Operations,(which you know about since you titled your new books and tapes on it)

I like the your story of being a SGT in the CSMR as the reason you are entitled to wear and claim some military identity.(the title SGT)
In 2003 ,your first class in NYC you said you had been an NCO in the US Army in an Infantry Unit and had seen how your previous martial arts training had NOT prepared you
for the Fights you had to Brake Up Between YOUR Men.
(so you claimed Military rank not awarded you prior to CSMR)

You also claimed to be a JKD Instructor under Dan Inosanto and Training partner to Paul Vunak.
How true is that?

You claim you left the US Army because of a foul up in your attempt to get into the Warrant Officer Flight Training Program,Right?
Let's take a look:
It was wait 6 months to go to WOFTP, or so your recruiter told you.
The recruiter said you could go and get Basic and AIT out of the way.(or did you just want to go THEN)
Did the recruiter say you could do Basic and AIT then go to WOFTP?

Why did you not go in the US Army as a reservist and do Basic and AIT?
Did you sign a CONTRACT with the Government for X number of years?
If so,which must have, did that contract say you would be released to the WOFTP after AIT?
Did you read and understand the contract as written by the recruiter?
(I am sure you did since getting selected to WOFTP)
Did you understand the contract as read to you before being sworn in the first time by the people at processing?
An Enlisted person can go to the WOFTP No?
You were in the US Army 8 months and 12 days and said it took months to get it resolved?

The WOFTP is what 9 weeks,(Two months),then 6 weeks Warrant Officer School,then flight school.
Since you joined to get basic and AIT out of the way (AIT was not needed for WOFTP) and you had 6 months till the course went off,6 months plus 9 weeks is the Exact time you got out of the US Army,and you COULD HAVE gone to WOFTP anytime from then to 3 years you say you were told by your CO.
Well why didn't you go to the WOFTP?
spent your days hating what you were doing ,dreaming of flying Helo's.(that's from your site)
Something is Bogus in your story ,to me,sir.

You exaggerate your life story and you profit from peoples misconceptions about your background.
If you helped an old Lady across the road you would write it up as having saved her life from an impending traffic accident.
You do not even see that your stories are exaggerated.

Your response in Blitz is a Book on your life,with you telling people well this is true because I did this and it counts for that.
It counts for what it is not being comitted to start and finish anything.
To use that which can benefit you most,period.

I would also like to know your qualifications with Mortars, M60s,and Heliborne operations that your background and experience helped the  MI Det of the 19th SF.
(the above from your site)
Do you have qualifications above the Pilots,Crew Chief and the SF Jump Masters and Riggers?

It is all smoke and mirrors.
How many Military  units CONTRACTED YOU for PAY to come and teach them?
How many did you send letters to for letters of appreciation in return.

I wonder why someone who put so much time around the Military over these years could not hack a few year enlistment?
(profit potential was not there as an enlisted Radio Operator,I guess)

You may not be a Liar but you are Guilty of misleading with exaggerated claims.
 
The Definition of a Phony:
 not genuine or real: as a (1): intended to deceive or mislead (2): intended to defraud : counterfeit b: arousing suspicion : probably dishonest.
 
Maybe you THINK ,as others on this list and on other Phony lists,that you do not belong on here.
Maybe you should Think Again. 
 
Jim Hartigan
To: info@pownetwork.org
Cc: info@jimwagnerrealitybased.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:59:56 +0000
Subject: Jim Wagner accusations

pownetwork.org:

 

You have me, James Wagner, on your website listed in your Wannabes & Phonies section along with supposed supporting documentation to your claim. Although your wording is not libel, per se, it definitely leads any Internet reader to believe that I am a liar, or “phony,” as you have so bluntly indicated. Obviously I am requesting that all information about me be removed immediately from your website because the assumptions are false.

 

For being a self-proclaimed investigative organization I am disappointed, to say the least, that you did not look into whether the allegations were true or false before publishing them. Is that your method of investigation, to throw up a bunch of accusations and see if anyone responds or not? I would think that before you set out to destroy a person’s reputation that you would at least have the ethics to thoroughly investigation a little deeper into the material you post. In my case you could have simply emailed me. You seemed to have found my website address without any difficulty. Instead, I have to hear about these accusations from my associates in the United Kingdom and Canada .

 

As a rebuttal I will use your own text and go line by line addressing each issue. First I will show your own text as it appears on your website, your accusations, and then I will answer each one of them.

 

WAGNER, James 05/2008 Huntington Beach/Irvine CA Is shown on the cover of multiple magazines in what appears to be a U.S. Army Uniform including rank.

 

Yes, I was on the recent cover of both Black Belt magazine ( USA ) and Blitz magazine ( Australia ) wearing my authorized Army Combat Uniform. I am a sergeant SGT/E5 with the California State Military Reserve assigned to the 40th Infantry Division (Mechanized) Support, Provost Marshal Office; a rank I have held for two years. If you would have read the article in Black Belt magazine you would have seen my unit printed there in black and white. Over 70,000 issues were printed.

 

Under the California Military Department the California Army National Guard (which can be federalized) and California State Military Reserve (which cannot be federalized) are authorized to wear the Army Combat Uniform (ACU). Permission was grated to me by my chain-of-command in hopes of recruiting more people into both branches of the California Military Department in a time when the United States military, and the State of California, desperately need more soldiers in the War on Terrorism, peace keeping missions, and for State emergencies. The Black Belt magazine cover story did indeed accomplish this goal with a few patriotic individuals enlisting. It also made the public aware of the State Defense Forces throughout the United States , which few people knew about. I have received emails from individuals from several states asking me how they could enlist in the State Defense Force. I responded by recommending that they contact their local recruiter. How many other individuals enlisted in these outside states is unknown, but even if only one person had enlisted I feel that I have done my part in strengthening the United States Armed Forces. For my contribution to recruiting efforts I was awarded the State Recruiting Ribbon which is on record with the California Department of Military.  The story printed in Black Belt magazine and Blitz magazine are directly related to my current assignment as a self-defense instructor. In the Black Belt magazine article I am shown in a photograph taken at the Joint Forces Training Based, California training Army National Guard (ANG) troops in my ACU (our training uniform as well).

 

If you were to have looked at the photographs in the inside of the magazine you would have seen my unit patch, my rank, and the word CALIFORNIA over the left breast pocket. Had you looked inside the magazine, but missed reading the actual text listing my unit, you would have definitely been able to investigate what unit I belong to, and what unit the other troops belong to, by looking closely at the many color photographs printed inside. I guess the old adage of YOU CAN’T JUDGE A BOOK BY IT’S COVER is no truer than in this case. Upon obtaining this observational information a simple phone call to our military headquarters at the State Capitol of Sacramento would have verified that I am indeed a sworn soldier, and one who has also been on State Active Duty. My assignments and missions include imbedded activity with the Army National Guard.  

 

2.  Is using the Marine Sniper School at Pendleton as a reference but was never a Marine.

 

First of all, the above sentence is an incomplete sentence, and the school should be referred to as Scout Sniper School . Had you attended this school you would have known how particular they are about their good name and reputation. Plus, the proper name for the school’s location is MCB Camp Pendleton (MCB standing for Marine Corps Base). As investigators looking into military matters you should be using proper vocabulary.  

 

Although I have had extensive training by the United States Marine Corps, and I have taught many defensive tactics and tactics courses to various Marine units, I have never claimed to be a United States Marine. I have also trained U.S. Air Force Security Forces units, U.S. Navy Provost Marshal Office units, and U.S. Coast Guard units and have never claimed to be a member of these branches either. Nowhere in any article, any correspondence, or email have I ever stated I was a United States Marine. As a military investigating unit you should know that there is, and was, a certain degree of liaison between our military and the law enforcement community. 

 

Did you actually read the letter you posted on your website that is suppose to be supporting documentation of my fraud? This letter, from 1st Lieutenant T.C. West of Scout Sniper School, Division Schools, 1st Marine Division dated 11 Feb 94, is a LETTER OF APPRECIATION thanking me (Officer Jim Wagner, Costa Mesa Police Department) for my “assistance on numerous occasions to help coordinate, participate in, and evaluate Sniper training scenarios and courses that incorporate realistic applications to both Law Enforcement and Military personnel.” Anyone who reads this, for it is in layman English, will understand the meaning of it. It plainly states that I was at Camp Pendleton “ON NUMEROUS OCCAISIONS” involved with Scout Sniper School in the capacity of a civilian law enforcement advisor. Would a United States commissioned officer sign a document that was untrue? The answer is obviously not. This document is on record with both the United States Marine Corps and the Costa Mesa Police Department. It was the Costa Mesa Police Department, more specifically Lieutenant Ron Smith (the Costa Mesa Police Department SWAT Commander at the time), Captain Brooks , and Chief Dave Snowden, who authorized me to train countless times on city time. How does this document that you placed up on your website indicate that I was passing myself off as a Marine, because that is exactly what you are implying on your website.

 

The second document you have from the United States Marine Corps is a certificate given to me by Scout Sniper School on January 5, 1993 for an “advance sniper course prescribed by the Scout Sniper School .” Whether this is an “official government document” or not, I do not know, I was never a Marine. I am not familiar with all of their forms. However, that is the very document they handed to me upon graduation of the course (along with fellow Costa Mesa Police officers Sergeant Darell Freeman, Senior Officer Mike Cohen, Senior Officer Paul Ellis, Senior Officer Dan Erber and approximately 20 other law enforcement officers from multiple Southern California law enforcement agencies both local, State, and federal) in an official United States Marine Corps display folder. Fortunately, I have the class photo which was taken in front of the Scout Sniper School building and sign, along with all of the United States Marine Corps instructors in it who taught the course. Apparently I must post this photo on my website, and the other photographs taken at this event, to dispel the damage you have done. When I place that training certificate on my website a few years ago I had no idea that it would be questioned. And why should I have? I’ve never had any of my documentation questioned before, and I have only put up a small fraction of my qualifications. So, whether this is strictly a Division Schools in house certificate or not, you would have to take the matter up with them. This certificate is also in my official personnel file with the Costa Mesa Police Department, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, the United States Federal Air Marshal Service and the California State Military Reserve. Of course, the certificate itself is just a piece of paper, but what it represents to me, and the men who participated at this event, was three days of intensive scout sniper training taught by Marines of the Scout Sniper School; knowledge that I learned and have passed on to many others over the years to help save lives.

 

4.  Constantly refers to himself as Sergeant in reference to his military background while in a military uniform when he has produced no DD214 to verify rank or service.

 

Had your investigative report continued to go in chronological order this sentence should have been numbered as number 2 in order to keep a consistent theme thread with the opening sentence, which should have been numbered as number 1. As a law enforcement officer who has investigated thousands of crimes, I am pointing this out to you so that in the future when you list accusations about individuals your work will look profession, thus giving credibility to your website.

 

In my first military service, with the United States Army (Regular), in 1981 I attained the rank of Private E2 before being awarded an Honorable Discharge. I served my country at this time for 8 months and 12 days. On my website I write about this period in my life. To make a long story short on your behalf, I was recruited for the WOFT (Warrant Officer Flight Program) at 18 years of age. I qualified for the program and my paperwork was submitted through the proper Army channels. According to Standard Operating Procedures my recruiter, Staff Sergeant Smeltzer ( Costa Mesa , California Recruiting Office) was to wait for my class date. I was told that my WOFT class date could be approximately six months away. My recruiter had a not so brilliant idea and said that I could get boot camp “out of the way,” and probably AIT (Advance Individual Training) as well in order to get a secondary MOS while waiting for my WOFT class date. Apparently SSG Smeltzer did not know that this would cause a foul up in the system. When the WOFT program personnel at Fort Rucker , Alabama found out that I had enlisted as a Radio Operator they assumed I no longer wanted to attend the WOFT program and I lost my slot. After months of trying to sort out the mess the Army admitted their mistake, thanks to my congressman, the honorable, Robert E. Badham. Through my Battalion commander I was given a choice of reapplying for the WOFT program, with no guarantees of entering within three years, or the second choice receiving an Honorable Discharge. I took the second option. Thus, my first service to my country should in no way be linked to my rank as a Reserve sergeant with the Orange County Sheriffs Department or the rank of sergeant E5 in the California State Military Reserve today.

 

Since 1999 I have been one of the most read martial arts instructors in the world writing for Black Belt magazine ( North America ), Budo magazine ( Europe ), other martial arts publication with five books now on the market. In 2000 when I became a sergeant (Reserve) with the Orange County Sheriff’s Department Black Belt magazine and Budo magazine like the idea of using my rank in front of my name to give people an idea of my credentials, and it has stuck ever since.

 

As stated previously I am a sergeant E5 with the California State Military Reserve. If I “constantly” refer to myself as “Sergeant” that is because I am. You know very well that any State Defense Force is an official military organization under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). To connect my previous military service to today’s military service in connection to my rank is your mistake, not mine. Had you just ordered a copy of Black Belt magazine or Blitz magazine (for it was Black Belt magazine who sent Blitz magazine the photo you had posted) you would have solved your investigation in mere minutes.  

 

Concerning my DD214 to “verify rank or service,” who in the world would put up their DD214 on a self-defense website, or any other website for that matter? What is next, my DOJ fingerprints, my birth certificate, my driver’s license, my passport? However, one day if it becomes the norm for all martial artist instructors with a military background to post their DD214 then I will post my DD214. Of course, I know that you worded the sentence on your website in such a way as to make it look like I was never a sergeant in order to discredit me.

 

It is obvious to me that one of my self-defense competitors gave you your “lead.” The fact that I am “being investigated” by your organization has conveniently recently appeared on a few of my competitor’s websites, and since such accusations are rarely verified by many readers, it has had the temporary impact they were hoping for. It appears you have been used to accomplish their smear tactic. It does not take a professional investigator to figure out the motivation behind the accusations. Thus, I’m assuming at this point that you just threw up whatever someone fed you and did not properly investigate the matter. I can’t imagine that this would come from your organization directly. If that were the case then that would just show complete incompetence on your part, especially from an organization soliciting donations. As such, I request that all the information about me on your website be immediately taken off of your website and a retraction be put in its place. I see that you expect apologies from people you have caught lying, I would expect the same from you when it is the other way. Failure to do so will result in me listing your website on my website as an unreliable source of information. Contrary to what you may believe, base on the information you have posted about me, there are literally thousands from the military, law enforcement, corrections, and martial arts communities all around the world who support me and the Jim Wagner Reality-Based Personal Protection system.

 

Sincerely,

 

Jim Wagner   

http://www.jimwagnerrealitybased.com/news10july08fraud.html

Jim Wagner - Big Boots. Little Feet.
by W. Hock Hochheim
 
Jim Wagner. Black Belt Magazine's poster boy for military and police reality training. He's here. He's there. He's everywhere as the founding father, inventor, originator and creator of reality based training, self defense. Just a few short years ago too! (What were we all doing for decades and centuries?) Wagner is an "extensively experienced" military and police veteran, by his own account. So it went and so it goes. Articles, seminars, books, DVDs. All based on Black Belt Magazine - which rather incestuously awarded him the 2006 Black Belt Hall of Fame, Instructor of the year. While they admit to "buying him a few tanks of gas," I think they inadvertantly bought him the whole car and an open license for an international, "three-card-monte" game.
 
In July, 2008, someone posted Jim Wagner's name on the POW Network's "Wannabe and Fraud" here. Listed documents here reveal Wagner's actual hidden, slim, 8-month Army stint, punctuated with a plea for help to a Congressman to get him an early-out. He left as a private, an E-2 ranking after 8 months. This surprise news juxtaposes and unsettles his crafted image and persona.
 
Now, it seems I have been accused on the world-wide-web of being the initiator of said posting here. Furthermore, from the USA to faraway Australia, Wagner accuses me of spreading even more lies about him, unrelated to these military disclosures. In actuality, for many years now I have avoided the elusive subject of Sergeant Jim Wagner as I found him just a very lucky, embellished oddity in this profession, someone with little experience fabricated up into an advertised, seasoned military, martial and police SWAT veteran. Big boots on parade. Little feet inside them.
 
The old saying about "never arguing with a person who buys their ink in barrels" such as Black Belt magazine is true. But, these global accusations have prompted me to at least make a quick reply here. I did not initiate this report here and had absolutely nothing to do with it. I am just a very handy, explain-away, target and anything I say will be completely dismissed by Wagner under the old guise that I am just "a jealous, business competitor." Sweep! Dismissed. I'm gone? Its a lose-lose situation for me. If I respond, I'm merely a jealous competitor. I don't respond? I am a misleading liar. I call that, "lose-lose." I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't.
 
Now I am drawn in the messy mess, they call Sgt. Jim Wagner, As a side result of these public complaints about me however, I have suddenly become an unwilling, reluctant repository of a steady volume of disparaging complaints about Jim Wagner, mostly from military and police people, foreign, federal, state, city. The bad press about me has inadvertently made me some kind of anti-Wagner, rallying point? And frankly, I really don't exactly know what to do with them?  In summary, they want to convince me that Wagner's whole professional life is a slim, house of cards, shams and cover-ups, every bit similar to this previously concealed, 8-month military background. In some cases, way worse. They say that Wagner is playing a "hide-the-ball, three-card-monte," shell game. What to believe?
 
One thing I really do believe is that Jim Wagner, through a series of carefully, weaseled articles, photos and wordsmithing has crafted himself an image of this veteran soldier, veteran cop and veteran martial artist. As a result, I think he has fooled magazine editors, knife companies and thereby, fooled hundreds - if not thousands of people through the years with his vague extrapolations, exaggerations and confabulations. Some of his friends, editors and owners now look like fools and even worse - willing accomplices - with their reputations, schools, companies and magazines marred. This is the real damage done here.
But, since all this started on a military-based webpage, I will stick to, and only comment upon, the military issues it mentioned. They boil down to an ugly soup of three points:
 
Complaint 1: Wagner pictures in military uniform - Wagner appeared in a Black Belt magazine photo spread in his dramatic, Army combat uniform and black beret.
 
Complaint 2: Wagner calling himself a Sergeant for many years when he was not one.
 
Complaint 3: Wagner lying and alluding to military experience well beyond his actual 8 Army months.

Complaint 1: The Military Uniform.
What's in store for 2008? Wagner asks and reveals on his webpage. The year started off with Jim Wagner on the cover of Black Belt Magazine. The dramatic photo has Jim in his Army Combat Uniform and black beret... (see photo above)
 
Well, am I not much bothered by Wagner's recent dramatic, Black Belt Magazine photo cover and photo spread. The one with him in a that Army combat military, uniform. That..."black beret." But, his real status to the readers is never explained. A Marine, among many others, complained to me that ignorant readers would think that Wagner is in the regular Army, or at least the United States Army Reserves. There was not even a mention of the California State Reserves in this issue?  But, I was told early on it was a California uniform from a state reserve group. The group is known mostly for great fire-fighting support and is one that cannot be sent into war or "combat" outside ofCalifornia. Wagner is completely safe from Iraq and Afghanistan deployments, yet he can still legally play "dress-up," for photo shoots. Meanwhile, what of the great American reservists actually deployed to combat? Is all this suggestiveness a form of stolen valor?
Many vets and even citizens have snickered and sneered at other photos through the years of a face-painted, Rambo, "Commando Wagner" in camo, brandishing a military knife. Are their old complaints are now somewhat bolstered with the new discovery of his hidden, mere 8-month, radio operator, army visit?
But, as ostentatious as these dramatic, Army combat photos are? They are all just ads to me. Businesses sink or swim on risky ad campaigns. Perhaps these over-the-top ads and messages will wear on the masses and will sink Wagner in the long term? Who knows? You must decide. The market place.

Complaint 2: This "Sergeant thing"
Wagner responds to the POW Network with "I am a sergeant." But you know? He wasn't always one. Actually, I am not bothered all that much about this Sergeant title thing either, though he called himself one for years, when he was certainly not one, and then finally become one in 2006 with a California state militia reserves. This to me is just like a business ad gambit, and not uncommon in the business world to use military terms, such as SGT Fitness or Captain Cleaners and so forth. He has his own corporation. He can be a sergeant in it, can't he? Sergeant of Arms, or whatever? His own company. His choice of names. Is it more like a business "nickname?"  BUT, he just needs to explain that! The unsupported NCO moniker has indeed aggravated many police and military vets as well as fooled many naive civilian customers all inside a carefully, crafted, marketing, package of suggestive innuendos. Business nickname? Ad campaign? Trick? You must decide.
 
Complaint 3: Wagner's military background.
Jim Wagner's extensive military and law enforcement background, said Wagner on his webpage in 2003. That'll be an extensiveeight months in the military? Jim Wagner has said in one of his DVDs, that he served in a combat unit, leaving students in a mysterious awe? From Wagner's webpage, the quote, throughout his service in the army, Jim maintained his martial arts skills and even gave private lessons to interested soldiers." All in that whopping eight months. But, is all this just an advertising, word game? Or, carefully planned allusions to a lengthy, respectable time-in-grade in exceptional services?
 
However, when people like military vet Jim Hartigan - a man who actually does have an extensive military background, - caught Wagner back in 2003 telling students in a seminar that he was once a sergeant/NCO in the US Army Infantry, is this not a blatant lie?
 
Way worse, Wagner once advertised he had 13 years of experience that included Special Forces, when advertising a video. Look here at:
Not only does he claim Special Forces experience there, he claims he is a sergeant. Given Wagner's penchant for rabid aggrandizement, I can only imagine what Sergeant Jim has babbled to isolated pockets of people here and there. You know who you are out there.
 
Also on this military subject, Wagner also brags on a long string of military units he has taught around the world, one such harping is on a myriad of courses for Marines at Camp Pendleton, CA. But this impressive, global list actually came while he was in a team and a staff employee of nearby HSS International. HSS obtained those global gigs, not Wagner. Then much later, some other units read Wagner's big unit list and read his Big Boots super-cop/super-soldier ads, and in a mysterious awe - contacted him to teach. Thanks much, HSS! Bye!
 
No matter what Wagner says here, or on his revised webpage about his short Army months, rest assured on this very point as fact! Wagner never traveled the world, never told people, and never wrote articles on the fact that he did only 8 months in the service, and then asked a Congressman to get him out of the Army. Instead, he fashioned a blanket of innuendos and lies to suggest the exact opposite, that he was a seasoned, Army vet. No matter how legitimate this premature discharge is? You have to think that most of his students are now scratching their heads and are somewhat disappointed in Sgt. Jim Wagner's omissions and allusions. You know who you are, out there. 
 
Summary
All this comes from an individual by the way, who advertised on his web and in magazines for years that he'd completed some 140 Post 9-11, counter-terrorism missions. In fact, these were air marshal, commercial, flights from his one year there, and not 140, Jack Bauer episodes of 24. I personally think that this 140 counter-terrorism missions ad/claim completely sums up the intent, character, gavitas, persona and method of operation of one Sgt. Jim Wagner. In fact, Wagner has made much advertising ado of this short, so-called "counter-terrorism fandango" of his, and there's enough of a mess hidden there so as to qualify for a whole other essay on that subject alone. But, meanwhile, what about the real men and women actually performing real counter-terrorism missions? Is this not a stolen valor?
 
Sadly, there is no such version of POW Network, webpage for martial artists or police work. There we would find way more issues of big boots and little feet. But, I do really wish to offer Wagner way more than equal time with an opportunity to answer The Jim Wagner 13 Questions found here at:
 
Answering these Jim Wagner 13 Questions would completely clear up his reputation and exonerate him from the underground of complaints circulating about him that I reluctantly received. Its a sad situation, really. We await his responses for international broadcast and redemption. Once vindicated? I will immediately apologize, completely reverse my opinion, endorse and utterly support him for the rest of his and my life. We await his answers at that listed talk forum.
Meanwhile, web readers are noting that Wagner is steadily changing the bio on his own webpage to massage breaking news about himself. In the meantime, I remain stuck in this awkward, lose-lose situation, called a petty and jealous liar. Damned if I do and damned if I don't. Well, damn the torpedoes...here was my response on the military issues, anyway.
 
W. Hock Hochheim
Hock.Hochheim@SBCglobal.net
The man types to much but I will address a couple issues. He spent years and years bullshitting his way through the Martial Arts world and it was always implied he was Special Forces as is it is implied to this very day.


Although I have had extensive training by the United States Marine Corps
If Wagner had extensive Marine Training he would have a collection of actual training certificates and he does not. The single training certificate he is producing is lacking the signature of any officer or even one name person who would have signed it as a witness. It may be that a bunch of Police showed up in camp one day and one of the police made up and handed out a bunch of bullshit certificates but not the Marine Corps, this is a no go from the start.

 In my first military service, with the United States Army (Regular), in 1981 I attained the rank of Private E2 before being awarded an Honorable Discharge. I served my country at this time for 8 months and 12 days. On my website I write about this period in my life. To make a long story short on your behalf, I was recruited for the WOFT (Warrant Officer Flight Program) at 18 years of age. I qualified for the program and my paperwork was submitted through the proper Army channels. According to Standard Operating Procedures my recruiter, Staff Sergeant Smeltzer (Costa Mesa, California Recruiting Office) was to wait for my class date. I was told that my WOFT class date could be approximately six months away. My recruiter had a not so brilliant idea and said that I could get boot camp "out of the way," and probably AIT (Advance Individual Training) as well in order to get a secondary MOS while waiting for my WOFT class date. Apparently SSG Smeltzer did not know that this would cause a foul up in the system. When the WOFT program personnel at Fort Rucker, Alabama found out that I had enlisted as a Radio Operator they assumed I no longer wanted to attend the WOFT program and I lost my slot. After months of trying to sort out the mess the Army admitted their mistake, thanks to my congressman, the honorable, Robert E. Badham. Through my Battalion commander I was given a choice of reapplying for the WOFT program, with no guarantees of entering within three years, or the second choice receiving an Honorable Discharge. I took the second option. Thus, my first service to my country should in no way be linked to my rank as a Reserve sergeant with the Orange County Sheriffs Department or the rank of sergeant E5 in the California State Military Reserve today.

  This is a unlikely story but one that is not easily provable one way or another. I say its pure bullshit that's being posted up as ass cover but its impossible to prove that today. If Wagner were to have even received a less than honorable discharge it could have been upgraded over time to Honorable so what we are stuck with is 8 months. I say Wagner was a chicken shit who chose to screw the Army by receiving training then finding himself a exit, any kind of exit as that's what rats do, they find a hole and scurry off the scene. In some ways its good he has written this as it shows how highly he thinks of himself, that is that he was to good to be an enlisted man.

  I will have to go back and look into this situation further but if anything what Wagner has responded with here shows him to be the scumbag that I always knew that he was. Now he has chosen to write a small novel about himself to dispute his original writing but none of this removes the tiger stripe camo off his face or the Special Operations title off his book, he is a liar and fraud and completely full of shit and is now using some obscure 100 man reserve unit to try to cover his ass with smoke.

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....he's full of crap! Nobody can enlist and go directly to the Warrant Officer Candidate Course nor can they go directly to flight school directly out of boot camp either! So his little story about getting screwed out of these courses and therefore getting out after a year is bullshit! He got booted for being a PT failure or overweight, I'll put money on it!

 

RE: THE UNIFORM

What he describes is the same uniform many militias wear and claim it to be legal. Our contact in the J-3  at the  Pentagon states the complete opposite yet nobody has taken any action to detain or arrest any of them in uniform so that they can be prosecuted. They continue to thumb their noses at those of us in the know and squat their asses over the graves of our comrades and defecate  heaps of lies upon them as they conduct their burial services.

In Wagner's case I asked my wife if she recalled anyone coming in a Private/E-1 and then attending WOCC or  the Warrant Officer Candidate Course and she said no never. Then I asked if she ever knew of anyone attending Flight School their first year in and again she said no! I then looked up the WOCC on the web and it clearly stated that candidates needed to have years of leadership experience and troop time. There were a lot of other requirements that a first year Newbie to the Army would NOT be eligible or qualified for.

I have a friend from my DoD D who he attended Flight School at Ft. Rucker ..... The things he said tell me this clown would never have been selected even later in his career and he'd never have survived it if he had.

And where's his DD-214? he never answers this question! He dances all around it but never answers it! If he truly did a year of Active Duty in the Army then he has one and should be able to produce it.  Like I said though they put him out as an overweight or PT Failure or both and the codes will show on the DD-214 unless he alters it which is why he's not showing it!

And all his Sniper Training Bullshit with the Marines is nothing more than open competition that the Marines hold occasionally to give civilians a chance to out shoot their snipers and other shooting teams and are given Certificates that are Official looking as rewards for their shooting in an effort to draw young qualified shooters into the USMC to become the Corps future Snipers and RECON members. This guy is using his certificate as if it were proof of some secret cross boarder mission where he alone killed hundreds and then had to E&E hundreds of miles to freedom until rescued by a partially submerged sub waiting 3 miles off the coast where he had to swim through shark infested waters to get to the conning tower and ultimate safety.

He's Rambo's big brother!

jb