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His older ads claims here that he has special forces experience http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Cop-DVD-Sgt-Wagner/dp/B0007YN6UK
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Don't miss the martial arts forum discussion on this: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72918
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![]() Jim Wagner in 2004, after the police reserves and before the California state military reserves, displaying the rank of Sergeant. http://web.archive.org/web/20040603072226/www.realfighting.com/issue6/wagnerframe.html -Wagner sent in the above for an 2004 article for www.Realfighting.com, |
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Delivered-To: info@pownetwork.org From: BadKarma99@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:08:12 EDT Subject: Rebutal to Jim L Wagner To: info@pownetwork.org
Mr Wagner,
I go by the screen name JimH.
I have been in the Military serving in the
US Marines in US Marine Security Forces Europe.(1974-1977)
I served 9 years with the 11th Special Forces serving 8 of those
years on an A Team as the Engineer Sgt.(1981-1990)
I am Jump and SCUBA Qualified and have attended and graduated
from other International Military Schools and Courses.
I also attended your first course in NYC August 2003.
I have defended your art on many forums as the materials being usable and doable,though very basic.
My problem is the Hyped Up Misinformation that you use to sell
your Course.
I believe that you exaggerate your life for the sale of your course. You quoted me as saying the following about you: "3 months riding on a plane makes someone an anti terrorist specialist, lol." Well Sir,I know people who were the First Sky Marshalls and Sky Marshalls since inception through to Air Marshalls. Before 9/11 the sky/air Marshall program was on the tail end ,almost extinct. They were ANTI HIJACKERS and still are. It seems Anti Terror specialists has become the Big Name to throw out like Special Operations,(which you know about since you titled your new books and tapes on it) I like the your story of being a SGT in the CSMR as the reason you are entitled to wear and claim some military identity.(the title SGT) In 2003 ,your first class in NYC you said you had been an NCO in the US Army in an Infantry Unit and had seen how your previous martial arts training had NOT prepared you for the Fights you had to Brake Up Between YOUR Men. (so you claimed Military rank not awarded you prior to CSMR) You also claimed to be a JKD Instructor under Dan Inosanto and Training partner to Paul Vunak. How true is that? You claim you left the US Army because of a foul up in your attempt to get into the Warrant Officer Flight Training Program,Right?
Let's take a look:
It was wait 6 months to go to WOFTP, or so your recruiter told you.
The recruiter said you could go and get Basic and AIT out of the
way.(or did you just want to go THEN)
Did the recruiter say you could do Basic and AIT then go to
WOFTP?
Why did you not go in the US Army as a reservist and do Basic and AIT?
Did you sign a CONTRACT with the Government for X number of
years?
If so,which must have, did that contract say you would be released to the WOFTP after AIT?
Did you read and understand the contract as written by the
recruiter?
(I am sure you did since getting selected to WOFTP)
Did you understand the contract as read to you before being
sworn in the first time by the people at processing?
An Enlisted person can go to the WOFTP No? You were in the US Army 8 months and 12 days and said it took months to get it resolved? The WOFTP is what 9 weeks,(Two months),then 6 weeks Warrant Officer School,then flight school. Since you joined to get basic and AIT out of the way (AIT was not needed for WOFTP) and you had 6 months till the course went off,6 months plus 9 weeks is the Exact time you got out of the US Army,and you COULD HAVE gone to WOFTP anytime from then to 3 years you say you were told by your CO. Well why didn't you go to the WOFTP?
spent your days hating what you were doing ,dreaming of flying
Helo's.(that's from your site)
Something is Bogus in your story ,to me,sir.
You exaggerate your life story and you profit from peoples misconceptions about your background. If you helped an old Lady across the road you would write it up as having saved her life from an impending traffic accident. You do not even see that your stories are exaggerated. Your response in Blitz is a Book on your life,with you telling people well this is true because I did this and it counts for that. It counts for what it is not being comitted to start and finish anything. To use that which can benefit you most,period. I would also like to know your qualifications with Mortars, M60s,and Heliborne operations that your background and experience helped the MI Det of the 19th SF.
(the above from your site)
Do you have qualifications above the Pilots,Crew Chief and the SF Jump Masters and Riggers? It is all smoke and mirrors.
How many Military units CONTRACTED YOU for PAY to come and
teach them?
How many did you send letters to for letters of appreciation in return. I wonder why someone who put so much time around the Military over these years could not hack a few year enlistment?
(profit potential was not there as an enlisted Radio Operator,I
guess)
You may not be a Liar but you are Guilty of misleading with exaggerated claims.
The Definition of a Phony:
not genuine or real: as a (1): intended
to deceive or mislead (2): intended
to defraud : counterfeit
b: arousing
suspicion : probably dishonest.
Maybe you THINK ,as others on this
list and on other Phony lists,that you do not belong
on here.
Maybe you should Think Again.
Jim Hartigan
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To: info@pownetwork.org Cc: info@jimwagnerrealitybased.com Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:59:56 +0000 Subject: Jim Wagner accusations pownetwork.org: You have me, James Wagner, on your website listed in your Wannabes & Phonies section along with supposed supporting documentation to your claim. Although your wording is not libel, per se, it definitely leads any Internet reader to believe that I am a liar, or “phony,” as you have so bluntly indicated. Obviously I am requesting that all information about me be removed immediately from your website because the assumptions are false. For
being a self-proclaimed investigative organization I am
disappointed, to say the least, that you did not look into whether
the allegations were true or false before publishing them. Is that
your method of investigation, to throw up a bunch of accusations and
see if anyone responds or not? I would think that before you set out
to destroy a person’s reputation that you would at least have
the ethics to thoroughly investigation a little deeper into the
material you post. In my case you could have simply emailed me. You
seemed to have found my website address without any difficulty.
Instead, I have to hear about these accusations from my associates
in the As a rebuttal I will use your own text and go line by line addressing each issue. First I will show your own text as it appears on your website, your accusations, and then I will answer each one of them. WAGNER, James 05/2008 Huntington Beach/Irvine CA Is shown on the cover of multiple magazines in what appears to be a U.S. Army Uniform including rank. Yes,
I was on the recent cover of both Black Belt magazine ( Under
the California Military Department the California Army National
Guard (which can be federalized) and California State Military
Reserve (which cannot be federalized) are authorized to wear the
Army Combat Uniform (ACU). Permission was grated to me by my
chain-of-command in hopes of recruiting more people into both
branches of the California Military Department in a time when the
United States military, and the State of California, desperately
need more soldiers in the War on Terrorism, peace keeping missions,
and for State emergencies. The Black Belt magazine cover story did
indeed accomplish this goal with a few patriotic individuals
enlisting. It also made the public aware of the State Defense Forces
throughout the If
you were to have looked at the photographs in the inside of the
magazine you would have seen my unit patch, my rank, and the word 2.
Is using the First
of all, the above sentence is an incomplete sentence, and the school
should be referred to as Although I have had extensive training by the United States Marine Corps, and I have taught many defensive tactics and tactics courses to various Marine units, I have never claimed to be a United States Marine. I have also trained U.S. Air Force Security Forces units, U.S. Navy Provost Marshal Office units, and U.S. Coast Guard units and have never claimed to be a member of these branches either. Nowhere in any article, any correspondence, or email have I ever stated I was a United States Marine. As a military investigating unit you should know that there is, and was, a certain degree of liaison between our military and the law enforcement community. Did
you actually read the letter you posted on your website that is
suppose to be supporting documentation of my fraud? This letter,
from 1st Lieutenant T.C. West of Scout Sniper School,
Division Schools, 1st Marine Division dated 11 Feb 94, is
a LETTER OF APPRECIATION thanking me (Officer Jim Wagner, Costa Mesa
Police Department) for my “assistance on numerous occasions to
help coordinate, participate in, and evaluate Sniper training
scenarios and courses that incorporate realistic applications to
both Law Enforcement and Military personnel.” Anyone who reads
this, for it is in layman English, will understand the meaning of
it. It plainly states that I was at The
second document you have from the United States Marine Corps is a
certificate given to me by 4. Constantly refers to himself as Sergeant in reference to his military background while in a military uniform when he has produced no DD214 to verify rank or service. Had your investigative report continued to go in chronological order this sentence should have been numbered as number 2 in order to keep a consistent theme thread with the opening sentence, which should have been numbered as number 1. As a law enforcement officer who has investigated thousands of crimes, I am pointing this out to you so that in the future when you list accusations about individuals your work will look profession, thus giving credibility to your website. In
my first military service, with the United States Army (Regular), in
1981 I attained the rank of Private E2 before being awarded an
Honorable Discharge. I served my country at this time for 8 months
and 12 days. On my website I write about this period in my life. To
make a long story short on your behalf, I was recruited for the WOFT
(Warrant Officer Flight Program) at 18 years of age. I qualified for
the program and my paperwork was submitted through the proper Army
channels. According to Standard Operating Procedures my recruiter,
Staff Sergeant Smeltzer ( Since
1999 I have been one of the most read martial arts instructors in
the world writing for Black Belt magazine ( As stated previously I am a sergeant E5 with the California State Military Reserve. If I “constantly” refer to myself as “Sergeant” that is because I am. You know very well that any State Defense Force is an official military organization under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). To connect my previous military service to today’s military service in connection to my rank is your mistake, not mine. Had you just ordered a copy of Black Belt magazine or Blitz magazine (for it was Black Belt magazine who sent Blitz magazine the photo you had posted) you would have solved your investigation in mere minutes. Concerning my DD214 to “verify rank or service,” who in the world would put up their DD214 on a self-defense website, or any other website for that matter? What is next, my DOJ fingerprints, my birth certificate, my driver’s license, my passport? However, one day if it becomes the norm for all martial artist instructors with a military background to post their DD214 then I will post my DD214. Of course, I know that you worded the sentence on your website in such a way as to make it look like I was never a sergeant in order to discredit me. It is obvious to me that one of my self-defense competitors gave you your “lead.” The fact that I am “being investigated” by your organization has conveniently recently appeared on a few of my competitor’s websites, and since such accusations are rarely verified by many readers, it has had the temporary impact they were hoping for. It appears you have been used to accomplish their smear tactic. It does not take a professional investigator to figure out the motivation behind the accusations. Thus, I’m assuming at this point that you just threw up whatever someone fed you and did not properly investigate the matter. I can’t imagine that this would come from your organization directly. If that were the case then that would just show complete incompetence on your part, especially from an organization soliciting donations. As such, I request that all the information about me on your website be immediately taken off of your website and a retraction be put in its place. I see that you expect apologies from people you have caught lying, I would expect the same from you when it is the other way. Failure to do so will result in me listing your website on my website as an unreliable source of information. Contrary to what you may believe, base on the information you have posted about me, there are literally thousands from the military, law enforcement, corrections, and martial arts communities all around the world who support me and the Jim Wagner Reality-Based Personal Protection system.
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Jim Wagner - Big Boots. Little Feet.
by W. Hock Hochheim
Jim Wagner. Black Belt Magazine's poster boy for military and police
reality training. He's here. He's there. He's everywhere as the
founding father, inventor, originator and creator of reality based
training, self defense. Just a few short years ago too! (What were we
all doing for decades and centuries?) Wagner is an "extensively
experienced" military and police veteran, by his own account. So
it went and so it goes. Articles, seminars, books, DVDs. All based on
Black Belt Magazine - which rather incestuously awarded him the 2006
Black Belt Hall of Fame, Instructor of the year. While they admit to
"buying him a few tanks of gas," I think they inadvertantly
bought him the whole car and an open license for an international,
"three-card-monte" game.
In July, 2008, someone posted Jim Wagner's name on the POW Network's
"Wannabe and Fraud" here. Listed documents here reveal
Wagner's actual hidden, slim, 8-month Army stint, punctuated with a
plea for help to a Congressman to get him an early-out. He left as a
private, an E-2 ranking after 8 months. This surprise news juxtaposes
and unsettles his crafted image and persona.
Now, it seems I have been accused on the world-wide-web of being the
initiator of said posting here. Furthermore, from the USA to faraway
Australia, Wagner accuses me of spreading even more lies about him,
unrelated to these military disclosures. In actuality, for many years
now I have avoided the elusive subject of Sergeant Jim Wagner as I
found him just a very lucky, embellished oddity in this profession,
someone with little experience fabricated up into an advertised,
seasoned military, martial and police SWAT veteran. Big boots on
parade. Little feet inside them.
The old saying about "never arguing with a person who buys their
ink in barrels" such as Black Belt magazine is true. But, these
global accusations have prompted me to at least make a quick reply
here. I did not initiate this report here and had absolutely nothing
to do with it. I am just a very handy, explain-away, target and
anything I say will be completely dismissed by Wagner under the old
guise that I am just "a jealous, business competitor."
Sweep! Dismissed. I'm gone? Its a lose-lose situation for me. If
I respond, I'm merely a jealous competitor. I don't respond? I am a
misleading liar. I call that, "lose-lose." I'm damned if I
do, and damned if I don't.
Now I am drawn in the messy mess, they call Sgt. Jim Wagner, As
a side result of these public complaints about me however, I have
suddenly become an unwilling, reluctant repository of a steady volume
of disparaging complaints about Jim Wagner, mostly from military and
police people, foreign, federal, state, city. The bad press about me
has inadvertently made me some kind of anti-Wagner, rallying point?
And frankly, I really don't exactly know what to do with them?
In summary, they want to convince me that Wagner's whole professional
life is a slim, house of cards, shams and cover-ups, every bit similar
to this previously concealed, 8-month military background. In some
cases, way worse. They say that Wagner is playing a
"hide-the-ball, three-card-monte," shell game. What to
believe?
One thing I really do believe is that Jim Wagner, through a series of
carefully, weaseled articles, photos and wordsmithing has crafted
himself an image of this veteran soldier, veteran cop and veteran
martial artist. As a result, I think he has fooled magazine editors,
knife companies and thereby, fooled hundreds - if not thousands of
people through the years with his vague extrapolations, exaggerations
and confabulations. Some of his friends, editors and owners now look
like fools and even worse - willing accomplices - with their
reputations, schools, companies and magazines marred. This is the real
damage done here.
But, since all this started on a military-based webpage, I will stick
to, and only comment upon, the military issues it mentioned. They boil
down to an ugly soup of three points:
Complaint 1: Wagner pictures in military uniform - Wagner appeared in
a Black Belt magazine photo spread in his dramatic, Army combat
uniform and black beret.
Complaint 2: Wagner calling himself a Sergeant for many years when he
was not one.
Complaint 3: Wagner lying and alluding to military experience well
beyond his actual 8 Army months.
Complaint 1: The Military Uniform. What's in store for 2008? Wagner asks and reveals on his webpage. The year started off with Jim Wagner on the cover of Black Belt Magazine. The dramatic photo has Jim in his Army Combat Uniform and black beret... (see photo above) Well, am I not much bothered by Wagner's recent dramatic, Black Belt Magazine photo cover and photo spread. The one with him in a that Army combat military, uniform. That..."black beret." But, his real status to the readers is never explained. A Marine, among many others, complained to me that ignorant readers would think that Wagner is in the regular Army, or at least the United States Army Reserves. There was not even a mention of the California State Reserves in this issue? But, I was told early on it was a California uniform from a state reserve group. The group is known mostly for great fire-fighting support and is one that cannot be sent into war or "combat" outside ofCalifornia. Wagner is completely safe from Iraq and Afghanistan deployments, yet he can still legally play "dress-up," for photo shoots. Meanwhile, what of the great American reservists actually deployed to combat? Is all this suggestiveness a form of stolen valor?
Many vets and even citizens have snickered and sneered at other photos
through the years of a face-painted, Rambo, "Commando
Wagner" in camo, brandishing a military knife. Are their old
complaints are now somewhat bolstered with the new discovery of his
hidden, mere 8-month, radio operator, army visit?
But, as ostentatious as these dramatic, Army combat photos are?
They are all just ads to me. Businesses sink or swim on risky ad
campaigns. Perhaps these over-the-top ads and messages will wear on
the masses and will sink Wagner in the long term? Who knows? You must
decide. The market place.
Complaint 2: This "Sergeant thing" Wagner responds to the POW Network with "I am a sergeant." But you know? He wasn't always one. Actually, I am not bothered all that much about this Sergeant title thing either, though he called himself one for years, when he was certainly not one, and then finally become one in 2006 with a California state militia reserves. This to me is just like a business ad gambit, and not uncommon in the business world to use military terms, such as SGT Fitness or Captain Cleaners and so forth. He has his own corporation. He can be a sergeant in it, can't he? Sergeant of Arms, or whatever? His own company. His choice of names. Is it more like a business "nickname?" BUT, he just needs to explain that! The unsupported NCO moniker has indeed aggravated many police and military vets as well as fooled many naive civilian customers all inside a carefully, crafted, marketing, package of suggestive innuendos. Business nickname? Ad campaign? Trick? You must decide. Complaint 3: Wagner's military background. Jim Wagner's extensive military and law enforcement background, said Wagner on his webpage in 2003. That'll be an extensiveeight months in the military? Jim Wagner has said in one of his DVDs, that he served in a combat unit, leaving students in a mysterious awe? From Wagner's webpage, the quote, throughout his service in the army, Jim maintained his martial arts skills and even gave private lessons to interested soldiers." All in that whopping eight months. But, is all this just an advertising, word game? Or, carefully planned allusions to a lengthy, respectable time-in-grade in exceptional services?
However, when people like military vet Jim Hartigan - a man who
actually does have an extensive military background, - caught Wagner
back in 2003 telling students in a seminar that he was once a
sergeant/NCO in the US Army Infantry, is this not a blatant lie?
Way worse, Wagner once advertised he had 13 years of experience that
included Special Forces, when advertising a video. Look here at:
Not only does he claim Special Forces experience there, he claims he
is a sergeant. Given Wagner's penchant for rabid aggrandizement, I can
only imagine what Sergeant Jim has babbled to isolated pockets of
people here and there. You know who you are out there.
Also on this military subject, Wagner also brags on a long string of
military units he has taught around the world, one such harping is on
a myriad of courses for Marines at Camp Pendleton, CA. But this
impressive, global list actually came while he was in a team and a
staff employee of nearby HSS International. HSS obtained those global
gigs, not Wagner. Then much later, some other units read Wagner's big
unit list and read his Big Boots super-cop/super-soldier ads,
and in a mysterious awe - contacted him to teach. Thanks much, HSS!
Bye!
No matter what Wagner says here, or on his revised webpage about his
short Army months, rest assured on this very point as fact! Wagner
never traveled the world, never told people, and never wrote articles
on the fact that he did only 8 months in the service, and then asked a
Congressman to get him out of the Army. Instead, he fashioned a
blanket of innuendos and lies to suggest the exact opposite, that he
was a seasoned, Army vet. No matter how legitimate this premature
discharge is? You have to think that most of his students are now
scratching their heads and are somewhat disappointed in Sgt. Jim
Wagner's omissions and allusions. You know who you are, out there.
Summary
All this comes from an individual by the way, who advertised on his web and in magazines for years that he'd completed some 140 Post 9-11, counter-terrorism missions. In fact, these were air marshal, commercial, flights from his one year there, and not 140, Jack Bauer episodes of 24. I personally think that this 140 counter-terrorism missions ad/claim completely sums up the intent, character, gavitas, persona and method of operation of one Sgt. Jim Wagner. In fact, Wagner has made much advertising ado of this short, so-called "counter-terrorism fandango" of his, and there's enough of a mess hidden there so as to qualify for a whole other essay on that subject alone. But, meanwhile, what about the real men and women actually performing real counter-terrorism missions? Is this not a stolen valor?
Sadly, there is no such version of POW Network, webpage for martial
artists or police work. There we would find way more issues of big
boots and little feet. But, I do really wish to offer Wagner way more
than equal time with an opportunity to answer The Jim Wagner 13
Questions found here at:
Jim Wagner 13 Questions at http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,4049.0.html
Answering these Jim Wagner 13 Questions would completely clear
up his reputation and exonerate him from the underground of complaints
circulating about him that I reluctantly received. Its a sad
situation, really. We await his responses for international broadcast
and redemption. Once vindicated? I will immediately apologize,
completely reverse my opinion, endorse and utterly support him for the
rest of his and my life. We await his answers at that listed talk
forum.
Meanwhile, web readers are noting that Wagner is steadily changing the
bio on his own webpage to massage breaking news about himself. In the
meantime, I remain stuck in this awkward, lose-lose situation, called
a petty and jealous liar. Damned if I do and damned if I don't. Well,
damn the torpedoes...here was my response on the military issues,
anyway.
W. Hock Hochheim
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The man types to much but I will address a couple issues. He spent years
and years bullshitting his way through the Martial Arts world and it was
always implied he was Special Forces as is it is implied to this very
day.If Wagner had extensive Marine Training he would have a collection of actual training certificates and he does not. The single training certificate he is producing is lacking the signature of any officer or even one name person who would have signed it as a witness. It may be that a bunch of Police showed up in camp one day and one of the police made up and handed out a bunch of bullshit certificates but not the Marine Corps, this is a no go from the start. In my first military service, with the United States Army (Regular), in 1981 I attained the rank of Private E2 before being awarded an Honorable Discharge. I served my country at this time for 8 months and 12 days. On my website I write about this period in my life. To make a long story short on your behalf, I was recruited for the WOFT (Warrant Officer Flight Program) at 18 years of age. I qualified for the program and my paperwork was submitted through the proper Army channels. According to Standard Operating Procedures my recruiter, Staff Sergeant Smeltzer (Costa Mesa, California Recruiting Office) was to wait for my class date. I was told that my WOFT class date could be approximately six months away. My recruiter had a not so brilliant idea and said that I could get boot camp "out of the way," and probably AIT (Advance Individual Training) as well in order to get a secondary MOS while waiting for my WOFT class date. Apparently SSG Smeltzer did not know that this would cause a foul up in the system. When the WOFT program personnel at Fort Rucker, Alabama found out that I had enlisted as a Radio Operator they assumed I no longer wanted to attend the WOFT program and I lost my slot. After months of trying to sort out the mess the Army admitted their mistake, thanks to my congressman, the honorable, Robert E. Badham. Through my Battalion commander I was given a choice of reapplying for the WOFT program, with no guarantees of entering within three years, or the second choice receiving an Honorable Discharge. I took the second option. Thus, my first service to my country should in no way be linked to my rank as a Reserve sergeant with the Orange County Sheriffs Department or the rank of sergeant E5 in the California State Military Reserve today. This is a unlikely story but one that is not easily provable one way or another. I say its pure bullshit that's being posted up as ass cover but its impossible to prove that today. If Wagner were to have even received a less than honorable discharge it could have been upgraded over time to Honorable so what we are stuck with is 8 months. I say Wagner was a chicken shit who chose to screw the Army by receiving training then finding himself a exit, any kind of exit as that's what rats do, they find a hole and scurry off the scene. In some ways its good he has written this as it shows how highly he thinks of himself, that is that he was to good to be an enlisted man. I will have to go back and look into this situation further but if anything what Wagner has responded with here shows him to be the scumbag that I always knew that he was. Now he has chosen to write a small novel about himself to dispute his original writing but none of this removes the tiger stripe camo off his face or the Special Operations title off his book, he is a liar and fraud and completely full of shit and is now using some obscure 100 man reserve unit to try to cover his ass with smoke. name withheld |
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....he's full of crap! Nobody can enlist and go directly to the Warrant
Officer Candidate Course nor can they go directly to flight school
directly out of boot camp either! So his little story about getting
screwed out of these courses and therefore getting out after a year is
bullshit! He got booted for being a PT failure or overweight, I'll put
money on it!
RE: THE UNIFORM
What he describes is the same uniform many militias wear and claim it to be legal. Our contact in the J-3 at the Pentagon states the complete opposite yet nobody has taken any action to detain or arrest any of them in uniform so that they can be prosecuted. They continue to thumb their noses at those of us in the know and squat their asses over the graves of our comrades and defecate heaps of lies upon them as they conduct their burial services. In Wagner's case I asked my wife if she recalled anyone coming in a Private/E-1 and then attending WOCC or the Warrant Officer Candidate Course and she said no never. Then I asked if she ever knew of anyone attending Flight School their first year in and again she said no! I then looked up the WOCC on the web and it clearly stated that candidates needed to have years of leadership experience and troop time. There were a lot of other requirements that a first year Newbie to the Army would NOT be eligible or qualified for. I have a friend from my DoD D who he attended Flight School at Ft. Rucker ..... The things he said tell me this clown would never have been selected even later in his career and he'd never have survived it if he had. And where's his DD-214? he never answers this question! He dances all around it but never answers it! If he truly did a year of Active Duty in the Army then he has one and should be able to produce it. Like I said though they put him out as an overweight or PT Failure or both and the codes will show on the DD-214 unless he alters it which is why he's not showing it! And all his Sniper Training Bullshit with the Marines is nothing more than open competition that the Marines hold occasionally to give civilians a chance to out shoot their snipers and other shooting teams and are given Certificates that are Official looking as rewards for their shooting in an effort to draw young qualified shooters into the USMC to become the Corps future Snipers and RECON members. This guy is using his certificate as if it were proof of some secret cross boarder mission where he alone killed hundreds and then had to E&E hundreds of miles to freedom until rescued by a partially submerged sub waiting 3 miles off the coast where he had to swim through shark infested waters to get to the conning tower and ultimate safety. He's Rambo's big brother! jb |
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