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Garcia served from Nov 66 to Nov 72 Discharged a Sgt Awards: National Defense CIB Vietnam Campaign Parachute Badge Bronze Star w/V Purple Heart Good Conduct. Court martial transcript - not in file. 1967 a rifleman with B2/502ndInfBde101stAbnDiv USARPAC 1968 USAH RYIS, patient June 68 Ft Bragg CoA1stBn325thInfFtBraggNC |
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Salt Lake Weekly .....resurfaced.
He is continuing to claim ranger status. 12/22/2005 ======================. Gutful of WarHe’s a prize-winning author, Salt Lake City attorney, and pacifist with a violent past. But there are still some things Manny Garcia can’t talk about.by Paul SwensonAt the doorway of a Salt Lake City courtroom, spectators and judicial officials watch as a grizzled, leathery defense attorney embraces a young parole officer just back from military service in Iraq. “I don’t know what people were thinking,” says attorney Manny Garcia, “but we had quite a hug. I had been worried about him and was so happy to find he was safely back.” ... ... Disturbed by “red flags” in Garcia’s story, Henetz made a Freedom of Information Act request for his military records and says the material she received could not confirm that he had ever graduated from or even participated in Ranger training. In her AP story, Henetz contended that “Garcia’s Army records don’t back some of his most significant claims: that he was an Airborne Ranger with the famed 101st Airborne Division’s Screaming Eagles and had received the Silver Star, the military’s third-highest combat honor. The records do affirm Garcia was a decorated combat veteran but not for the year he said he drew on for his book,” she reported. Since Garcia no longer possessed his military records, having discarded them in a fit of pique on his exit from the Army, he applied—at Henetz’s request—for a copy through the Salt Lake office of the Department of Veterans Affairs. There were discrepancies between some of the records Henetz received with her FOIA request and those Garcia obtained from the VA, the former being more complete than the latter. “There are many more records that I don’t have and wasn’t able to get,” Henetz says...
See the above link for the rest of the article. And write the NPRC, NOT the VA for copies of any records for any soldier under FOIA. NPRC holds all records. ===============================================================
Richard David got a good piece of writing published in the SL Weekly.
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12/27/2005
The reason manny garcia still claims he cannot
talk about referring back to his so called Vietnam experience is because his book is
based upon lies, fabrication and innuendo. You will notice through out
my message to you I will not capitalize his name because he does not
deserve the respect to even warrant that courtesy. It is obvious you did not do any
research yourself,
but blindly followed the trail of the lemmings like so
many others before you.
You see, Mr. Swenson if the University of New
Mexico had actually made a true and sincere effort to honestly check out the real
facts about manny garcia Gump's claims of his Rambo like deeds while
supposedly serving in the noble and proud Bravo Company of the 2/502 Strike Force
Widow Makers of the 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division during the time he
claimed to have served, you will find there was not a manny garcia of
such heroic proportions.
The men who did serve during the times he claims
to have been there would have remembered such a hero, especially one who showed
such disrespect for his fellow comrades and who claims to have gone on one
man recon missions, shot elephants with M72 rockets and so on.
I would also like to inform you manny garcia nor
the 2/502 never made a parachute jump into an NVA hospital, nor did the whole
1st Brigade make a combat jump the during whole time the 1st Brigade was
in Vietnam from 1965 until they returned in 1972.
These facts can be verified through military
records and through the Freedom of Information Act of which garcia continues to
claim the Army "messed up his records or his records are still
kept secret because he was "special ops" within the 2/502nd.
Oh yes, and his claims that he was a Ranger is a
total lie as well and he has already been forced once by the Ranger's
organization to back down from that lie and wannabe claim, but he refuses to tell all
of you foolishly blind people who are so willing to believe his lies.
The Army says he never received the Silver Star
as manny continues to claim along with his many lies in his book which dishonors
the true heroes, the men's who names are on the Wall in Washington DC and
who were fortunate enough to return home alive from Vietnam.
How can you and others continue to support such a
liar and charlatan who claim to have called in air strikes himself and then
berated the pilots after he claimed they were incompetent at best?
They and helicopter pilots risked their lives on
numerous occasions to save our butts and they were heroes in our eyes, but not to
manny garcia gump, no sir, he was the only hero in his racist filled eyes,
and you people all of you should be ashamed of yourselves for being taken in
by this liar and thief of real honor.
You see Mr. Swenson, we true Strike Force men
lived and still live by the values of Honor, Loyalty, Duty and Trust to one another
and to our Country.
Manny garcia never ever has lived by those values and
is living to dishonor everything we still believe in today.
He is now being thoroughly researched by the men
of Bravo Company and reporters who have been suspicious of this man's false
claims. The men who were there are getting the real facts of this poor
excuse for a human being and so called lawyer. Between them and the reporters
who did not fall for his claims of military records screw ups will bring him
down from his tainted glass palace. I have the honor of knowing a
number of these truly
noble men and they will not rest until this wretched
man without any honor is exposed for who he really is.
I know it will be a miracle to expect to receive
any kind of reply from you as others have not replied to any of my brethren as
well. We will enjoy the look of embarrassment on all of your faces when the ax
finally falls this coming year and fall it will, I promise. The cameras
will be running.
Charles R. Gant Governor 502nd Regiment 101st Airborne
Liaison Alpha Company 2/502nd Strike Force Widow Makers
Organization
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RE: The above latest article.
Grief, can't he shut his stupid face long enough to read a little of the 101st history and then try to integrate himself into actions that happened while he was in VN???
I've just finished reading all the past issues of the
Dip and Warrior on the Tiger Force's war atrocities and can come
up with this. manny got to VN on May 26, 1967, this is VERIFIED
by his own records. A man named Dennis Stout was first to 'expose' all
these misdeeds of the Tiger Force(by the way, to some of you-the T F
was a recon platoon of the 327th, same as the Recondos for the
502nd-mostly operated same AOs, smaller (sometimes)
groups who mostly avoided being seen etc).
Mr Stout had been a line trooper and then went to
writing for the paper (hum), he just cannot seem to remember places,
dates he was hit, stuff like that while he was on line. He wrote
of, told about, the terrible Tiger Force deeds that manny has alluded
to being involved with too. manny, hate to tell you, but the
bulk of the TF's supposedly atrocities took place in the Song Be
Valley, near Duc Pho in May of 1967-before dear ol manny would've been
in Nam. The timeframe most quoted is May-June 67 and I'm quite
sure manny was out front with his M72 LAW and M60 on his hip blasting
away.
Let us see now, by his book-got to B/2/502 end of May
67, went back to wherever over a TB testing gone bad (right off the
plane too!), came back, had to go thru P-School before being sent to
field, us say, oh, mid June the best he could've done to get to the
3rd platoon. Of course this is the manny gumpster, so Gen
Matheson would've had him come by first and brief him on how he was
going to ........, my mind wanders again haha.
A tidbit for some of you about the 3rd platoon in mid
June 67--seems Dave Belding was running a little short of troops in
the platoon as we had just gone thru Hill 424 in May, and Hill
607(Shortround Hill) in June and he most likely would've taken even
several mannys. We were on Linkbone Hill with the 320th
Artillery getting people in the platoon and getting some of the
wounded back also. No manny ever showed up. Hell, I
probably woulda kissed anyone, even manny, since when we came off
607 we had 7 guys who were not hit. But again, no manny ever
showed up.
So he has linked himself to the Tiger Force and its
'black ops' (that is funny-can't help it), went to Ranger School(??)
at Phan Rang the same time he was in the field with us. Phan
Rang had P-School and other types of training going on-even jump
school-but Ranger? I thinks he saw and listened to guys
going to Recon training and dreamed about it. All of his
references allude to the P-School, now the Phan Rang site has surfaced
as his crutch to make his story swim. Just that how the hell did
he do all time in a years time? His 'black ops' were stealing
beers from an EM club somewhere, sneaking off into town for a
little 'dinky dou' stuff, or remembering the time he had to eat Cs
when the mess tent shut down. Musta been tough, the
man has OLCs and V device on his P49 Ribbon.
I'll read more and try to be more coherent next time,
I'm just pissed that this piece of crap can defame the good men who
paid the ultimate price; the way he said everyone but him was scared
or useless; his bragging about deeds when he was never was
even close to the actions, he is simply a pitiful human being.
I wonder if he would meet with me face to mug,
anywhere, time, place, and discuss his musings? I'm an old
decrepit fart, one leg in the ol casket kinda guy, but what a way to
go!! Beating the kageebers outa that piece of shit!!!!!
I'd serve the time (doubtful since I'm considered a nutso myself by
some folks).
I'm gonna start asking all the old platoon guys to
start writing me up for medals, should get several dozen of each,
since I really was (I thinks) shot at once or twice while in the
3rd platoon. Hell I even remember the time
I............................................
Hey ya'll have good holidays and kinda look over me,
I'm just an old "POOP" (pissed off old paratrooper) who
wishes the docs would let him have a brew or two, I need them when the
name manny enters my thoughts.
Strike Force troops and friends
Richard
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I've answered the writer of the SL Weekly article of manny and his new
and improved exploits, but maybe did it to soon!!
Mr Swenson quoted manny as saying the 'B Company story part of
his book' was a cover story for his activities with a group like the
Tiger Force. Never saying what this group's name was, but by the
article's content, one would still think he means the 502nd unit
he(manny) served with worked in conjunction with the 'Death Squad' of
the Tiger Force. Thusly he also uses this as a crutch to not
being able to tell the truth. He stated these secret ops with
the TF caused his being investigated by the CID for war crimes!!! ...
Also, near the end of this article manny speaks of his records and how
they were compiled. His story was he tried to obtain his
records from the Personnel Center himself and they were not there,
this being after he was sent to St Louis right after returning from
Vietnam and re-creating them himself!! Far-fetched to say the
least.
First off, the Personnel Center is a record storage and
safekeeping facility, they do not issue orders for awards-only the
unit assigned at the time of award does this. So, if he even
remotely did something like this he had to have produced orders
for the listed awards shown on the FOIA list that was obtained.
These will be in his records and obtainable by manny. If
these are true awards he would be very quick to produce copies thru St
Louis showing that all of us are wrong. It would definitely show
his involvement in actions, the unit, place, date, and what he
personally did to receive the award. This he cannot avoid, if
it's on the FOIA produced DD214, there are orders in his file, only he
can obtain these. If he will give me(hahaha)written and signed
authority to get these, and only these, from his files I will pay the
fees involved; and if they prove to be 'real' I will be the first
in line to say I was wrong. There are various ways to check
on the accuracy of awards too, so I do not think he would ever produce
them.
On another note, the list of men I am including on this e-mail can
verify this, anyone who was ever decorated or wounded can, at the
very least, come close to the date, a place where it happened, or the
names of men who were actually there. Whenever we hear or
read of men who do not even come close to knowing, it raises the ol
flag as a wannabee. Sure, sometimes men are hit quick in a fight
and never know a thing, but his buddies do. If you ever get to
talk to manny ask him, for me, to give you specific details(no matter
how gory) of his awards and who was involved. His book does not
have any mention of what deed he was decorated for, who he was with,
where, was just a generalized talking of getting awards with no
specific "it happened here" details.
Thank you again for your efforts in helping our group in trying to
bring this person to light. It is most likely way to late to
change the perception people gained of him before we found that
he had written a book about us. The 3rd platoon of B/2/502,
during that time, is one proud bunch that was led by very
good men. We, as a whole, do not like the fact of someone
tarnishing the reputation of the men who did not return and of
belittling the efforts of us who did return. I, and the others,
am proud of our actions, how we preformed, we still shed tears
when we speak of our brothers who did not return, and now we have a
person who claims he was one of us and does not have the slightest
idea of what we speak of.
Thanks again,
Richard
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:21:34 -0500
To: wcwhiteh@unm.edu
Subject: AN ACCIDENTAL SOLDIER
I KNOW THIS REPORT WILL NOT GET ANY FARTHER, THAN YOU WHO ARE
RECEIVING THIS E-MAIL.
I AM WRITING ABOUT MANNY GARCIA AND HIS SO CALLED WAR
STORY ABOUT VIET NAM.
I SERVERED AT THE SAME TIME FRAME AS MANNY GARCIA SAYS HE
DID. 4-67 TO 4-68 AND WAS PROUD TO DO SO.
CO. B 3rd. PLATOON 2/502th. 101st. AIRBORNE DIV.
IN MANNY'S SO CALLED BOOK, HE CALLS ME (JAY WUNDER) AND MY BEST FRIEND (HARRY IRWIN) WE WERE TOGETHER OVER 2 YEARS. WELL YOU CAN TELL
MANNY GARCIA THAT I AN RAY WUNDER AND STILL HERE AND KICKING, SO
TO SPEAK. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MANNY FOUR TRYING TO MAKE ME AND MY
FRIEND IRWIN LOOK LIKE A ASS IN HIS SO CALLED BOOK. I WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE A LONG TALK WITH THIS RAMBO GARCIA SOME DAY. THE SOONER THE
BETTER.
THE BEST PART OF HIS BOOK, ALL HE TALKS ABOUT IS
HIM BEING A SO CALLED HERO, RIGHT ON MANNY. LIKE HE SAYS HE WAS A
RANGER, GIVE US A
BRAKE. PLUS WHERE IS YOUR SILVER STAR AT THAT. I REMEMBER YOU SAY YOU
GAVE IT BACK DAMN I FORGOT THAT. YOU MUST HAVE BEEN ON ONE OF YOUR ONE
MAN RECON AGAIN WHEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RECEIVED IT, RIGHT ON
AGAIN MANNY.
I THINK I CAN SAY THAT, I OR THE TRUE MEN OF THE
3rd. PLATOON CAN'T REMEMBER YOU AT ALL. HOW DID YOU EVER PICK OUR
PLATOON TO WRITE ABOUT.
1 MAY- HILL 424 WAYRYNEN RECEIVED (MOH)
2 JUNE-HILL 607 AMBUSHED (MIA) ROBERT PLATT
3 JUNE SHORT ROUND HILL COMPANY HIT AND ALL MOST WIPED OUT BY OUR OWN
ARTILLERY
4 L-Z WHITE 24 HOUR FIRE FIGHT.
5 GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MANY AMBUSHES AND FIRE FIGHTS PLUS BEING SHOT AT
BY
SNIPER'S THAT THE MEN WE LOST IN THAT TIME FRAME
6 APRIL AMBUSHED MILTON LEE RECEIVED (MOH) GOD BLESS HIM.
SO MANNY WRITES ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT HIM SELF DOING DRUGS
WITH WHORES. THAT HE CAN REMEMBER, BUT CAN'T RECALL ALL ABOVE.
THAT'S RIGHT HE WAS ON HIS ONE MAN RECON ALL THAT TIME.
BY THE WAY RANGER GARCIA (JAY) SAID IF, THAT
IS A BIG IF, YOU HAD EVER TOUCHED MY GUN M-60 I WOULD HAVE BROKEN
BOOTH YOUR LEGS AND I THINK IF HE DOSE REMEMBER (JAY) WOULD HAVE DONE
IT AT THAT TIME JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.
LET ME KNOW IF MANNY GARCIA GETS TO REVIEW THIS PLEASE, I AM ONLY
SPEAKING FOR MY SELF. THANK YOU
RAY WUNDER
CLYDE NY. 14433
Strike Force
Ray
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