Pilots in Pajamas - Part 4

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45c.
Pilot in underwear                             "Don't give a native cause to
                                               fear you. Fear makes him
                                               hostile. Smile frequently.
45d.
Pilot on ox-cart                               "Don't be afraid to be an
                                               object of amusement to the
                                               natives. Be ready to
                                               entertain with songs, games
                                               or any tricks of cards, coins
                                               or strings which you may
                                               know.
45e.
Girl with pilot                                "Leave the native women alone
                                               at all times.
45f.
Pilot receiving first aid, pilot               "Treat your new friends like
in operating room, on a                        human beings. Don't look down
stretcher with oxygen mask                     on them. Don't laugh at Them,
                                               or make fun of them. Don't
                                               bully or drive them. Natives
                                               suffer from diseases which
                                               you can catch. Avoid physical
                                               contact without seeming to
                                               do so.
45g.
Vietnamese carry pilot issue                   Be generous, but not lavish!"
46.
Soldier packs pilot issue                      - Music  -
47.
carries bundle across yard                     - Music  -
48.
Thorsness declares         X:                  Major Thorsness, what were
                                               you thoughts when you took
                                               off your flying suit and were
                                               handed these, let's call
                                               them pyjamas? How does a
                                               high-ranking officer feel
                                               about such a change of
                                               clothing?
                           Thorsness:          Humm. Well, one feels that,
                                               first off one accepts
                                               reality. It's a fact that I
                                               was shot down and it's a fact
                                               that I was captured and
                                               as a prisoner of war here,
                                               it's a fact that my treatment
                                               is entirely up to my captors
                                               and whatever they do with me,
                                               I have no control over it.
                           X:                  Permit me to interrupt. You
                                               said just now that you are
                                               here as a prisoner of war.
                                               But do you actually have the
                                               right, according to
                                               international law, to claim
                                               the status of a prisoner of
                                               war?
                           Thorsness:          In my mind yes. I feel that I
                                               am.
                           X:                  Have the United States of
                                               America declared war on the
                                               Democratic Republic of
                                               Vietnam?
                           Thorsness:          To my knowledge they have
                                               not. So far as I know
                                               there has been no formal
                                               declaration of war between
                                               the United States and the,
                                               and North Vietnam.
49.
Shively declares           X:                  Lieutenant Shively, the
                                               United States of America has
                                               never declared war on the
                                               Democratic Republic of
                                               Vietnam, is that right?
                           Shively:            No, sir, as far as I know
                                               they have never declared war
                                               on North Vietnam, no sir.
                           X:                  Now, we know from what you
                                               have told us that you have a
                                               master's degree in
                                               international affairs. Do you
                                               see any consequence,
                                               with a view to international
                                               law, for yourself as an
                                               inmate of a prison camp here
                                               in the DRV deriving from the
                                               fact that war has not been
                                               declared?
               
                           Shively:            Well, sir, as far as the
                                               Geneva Declarations are
                                               concerned, I don't think that
                                               we are actually considered
                                               prisoners-of-war, because
                                               there has been no declaration
                                               of war. It kinda, kind of
                                               leaves us that are captured
                                               out in the cold. We don't
                                               know status.
                           X:                  According to international
                                               law, a war is preceded by an
                                               official declaration of war.
                                               There are other definitions
                                               for the actions you have
                                               waged and are still waging
                                               here: namely piracy, and the
                                               pirate.
                           Shively:            I would imagine that. I know
                                               that's how the Vietnamese
                                               people look at us here, sir.
                           X:                  Not only the Vietnamese, but
                                               also the major part of the
                                               world, and, I think, quite a
                                               few citizens of the United
                                               States of America.
                           Shively:            Yes, sir.
                           X:                  And if you now wish to start
                                               from the standpoint that you
                                               yourself cannot claim to be a
                                               prisoner of war in the sense
                                               of the Geneva Convention,
                                               what is your opinion of your
                                               treatment?
                           Shively:            Sir, I have been treated very
                                               well.  Ah, I was greatly
                                               surprised at how well I have
                                               been treated, as I said bef
                                               ore, I was, had not expected
                                               to  be treated so well at
                                               all. I had expected perhaps
                                               to be thrown into a dark hole
                                               somewhere, and kinda
                                               forgotten about, if not
                                               killed immediately, I thought
                                               that if I was kept alive,
                                               that I probably wouldn't be
                                               fed very well, would just
                                               have enough to sustain life
                                               and that be about all, but to
                                               the contrary, I've been
                                               treated very well. The wounds
                                               I received during my ejection
                                               from the aircraft have been
                                               treated, I eat well,
                                               regularly, good meals, even
                                               allowed cigarettes daily to
                                               smoke, get good clothes, good
                                               shelter, so on like this,
                                               sir. I have been treated, I
                                               consider, very fairly.
     
                           X:                  Lieutenant Shively, how do
                                               you explain the fact of your
                                               -- and I use your words, fair
                                               treatment? It seems to me
                                               that the Vietnamese would
                                               have every reason to revenge
                                               themselves for everything
                                               that has happened and is
                                               still happening.
                           Shively:            Sir, I, I can, it's hard for
                                               me to explain why the people
                                               would treat me well after the
                                               damage and suffering that
                                               I've caused. I think it is
                                               probably, basically the
                                               generosity of the Vietnamese
                                               people and their desire for
                                               me to understand their point
                                               of view and perhaps and some
                                               way for me to understand, and
                                               think about the suffering
                                               that I have caused, and to
                                               show my desire to be forgiven
                                               by the Vietnamese people for
                                               what I've done, sir.
                                               
                           X:                  Lieutenant, you are
                                               experiencing in practice an
                                               example of socialist
                                               humanity. The President of
                                               the Democratic Republic of
                                               Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh, has
                                               stated that the people here
                                               are capable of
                                               differentiating between real
                                               criminals in the background,
                                               who hold the decisive
                                               positions of government, and
                                               their tools who carry out
                                               their plans by dropping bombs
                                               and firing rockets. You are
                                               enjoying here more or less
                                               the advantages of this
                                               socialist concept which does
                                               not absolve you of guilt or
                                               minimize your actions, but
                                               does differentiate in each
                                               case between the initiators
                                               of a policy and their mere
                                               tools.
50.
Risner declares            X:                  Colonel Risner, do you get
                                               enough to eat here in the
                                               prison camp? And how about
                                               the quality of your food?
                           Risner:             Yes, yes, we are very well
                                               fed, we are well fed.
51.
Thorsness declares;        X:                  Major Thorsness, do you
holds burnt rice in his hand                   know what that is that you
                                               have there in your hand?
                           Thorsness:          Well, it is, it appears to be
                                               rice, I, I don't know, it
                                               looks like rice, maybe. No, I
                                               don't know for certain what
                                               this is.
                           X:                  You were right; it is rice
                                               that was burnt during an
                                               air-raid on an agricultural
                                               area.
52.
Hand of Thorsness                              - Music  -
with burnt rice            Commentary:         No one will ever eat this
                                               burnt rice. Rice is the basic
                                               food in Vietnam.
53.
Rice bowl heaped full                          Those who burnt the rice have
                                               learned how valuable it is.
54.
Prisoners picking up                           They eat with gusto
their rations
55.
Pilots eating                                  and it doesn't stick in their
                                               throats.
56.
Risner declares            X:                  Colonel, can you also read
                                               things or sometimes listen to
                                               the radio?
                           Risner:             Oh, sometimes we hear the
                                               "Voice of Vietnam". And, yes,
                                               we have been availed
                                               opportunity to read various
                                               things and articles
                                               since we have been here.
57.
Pilots in camp reading room
                           Commentary:         The reading room of a prison
                                               camp. With his face to the
                                               camera: Navy pilot Commander
                                               Kay Russell.
58.
Take-off from aircraft carrier                 On May 19, 1967, he took off
                                               from the aircraaft carrier
                                               "Bon Homme Richard" in
                                               the direction of Hanoi.
59.
Russell reading, close up                      He is one of 10 pilots shot
                                               down on this day over the
                                               North Vietnamese capital.
60.
Zoom. Book and hand                            Russell's present problem:
close up                                       there are too few crime
                                               stories in the camp library.
61.
Slogan above window                            This is also important
                                               reading: "Let the Vietnamese
                                               problem be settled by
                                               the Vietnamese themselves!"
62.
Alvarez declares           X:                  Lieutenant Alvarez, during
                                               your period of captivity
                                               here, have you received any
                                               news about the baseball
                                               standings in the United
                                               States?
                           Alvarez:            Yes, we had some information
                                               on how baseball is going in
                                               the States. Through local
                                               radio, I believe. Voice of
                                               Vietnam.
                           Hubbard:            This, ah, this is to deal
                                               with the enemy?
                           X:                  Yes, that has something to do
                                               with the enemy. American
                                               soldiers are taught there how
                                               they are allegedly to be
                                               treated in case of communist
                                               captivity.
                           Hubbard:            I never, I've never received
                                               any training of this type. I
                                               don't . . . I went through
                                               survival school, but they
                                               didn't, nobody ever did this
                                               to me. In fact, I think, I
                                               would have been pretty upset
                                               if anybody had tried to do
                                               this to me.
                           X:                  I'd like to ask you a few
                                               definite questions. Is your
                                               situation here as a prisoner
                                               comparable with the situation
                                               depicted in these pictures?
                                               Did someone here in North
                                               Vietnam
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90.
Illustrated photo                              step on your stomach as shown
                                               here in these pictures?
91.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, nobody's ever jumped on
                                               my stomach that I recall.
92.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Were you tied to a stake and
                                               exposed to intense heat of
                                               the sun for hours on end?
93.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, sir.
94.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Did you have to kneel down on
                                               a log until you collapsed?
95.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, sir.
63.
Three pilots marched       Commentary:         These three inmates live in
to garden detail                               a cell of the "Hilton Hanoi".
64.
Pilots digging garden                          Although these high-ranking
                                               Air Force and Navy officers
                                               are not forced to work, they
                                               are pleased to have the to
                                               have the opportunity
                                               to get in a little physical
                                               activity. Here, they are
                                               working a garden for soup
                                               vegetables.
65.
Slogan on wall                                 "Good order and discipline!"
                                               -- their own order of the
                                               day.
66
Stratton & Hegdahl                             Here commander Stratton and
sweeping yard                                  the sailor Douglas Brent
                                               Hegdahl are maintaining the
                                               cleanliness of the camp.
67.
Hegdahl alone                                  Hegdahl is the only American
                                               draftee in custody in the
                                               DRV. The sailor fell
                                               overboard from a warship
                                               where he was serving
                                               as a draftee, and was
                                               fished out of the water a
                                               short time later by
                                               Vietnamese fishermen. Now
                                               Hegdahl is sharing the life
68.
Stratton                                       of the captured air pirates.
69.
Cement holes in Hanoi      Author's            The streets of Hanoi have
                           Commentary:         gaping holes: Concrete rings,
                                               submerged in the ground.
70.
Production of cement                           These rings are vital
rings in the streets of                        products. The need is great.
Hanoi                                          They are formed in factories
                                               such as these, outside and on
                                               the streets where they are to
                                               be used.
71.
People squatting at the                        When the alarm is sounded life
edges of the holes:                            circulates circulates closely
Reading, and talking people,                   around these dark holes. When
traders, sleeping, waiting people              the enemy approaches, heavy
                                               lids lie at hand, ready to be
                                               raised to close the holes.
72.
One-man holes in camp,     Commentary:         Nor are the captured American
beside them Stratton and                       pilots unprotected when their
Hegdahl                                        buddies come flying in.  They
                                               have everything available that
                                               the Vietnames have. When the
                                               guards shout out "May bay My"
                                               --- that means Americans
                                               planes  -- everyone knows
                                               immediately where he has to
                                               go: in the individual man
                                               holes.
73.
Stratton                                       or in the self-built air-raid
in front of bunker                             shelters.
                            Author's
                            Commentary:        They have the
                                               chance to survive  --
74.
Stratton & Hegdahl in shower                   They can take a shower --
75.
Washing                                        They have soap for washing --
76.
Pilots collecting                              They have enough to eat --
77.
Smoking                                        They receive a few cigarettes
                                               regularly.
78.
Reading                                        They are permitted to read --
79.
Bed                                            Each of them has his own bed
80.
Bearded pilots doing                           And anyone who desires to do
garden work                                    so can grow a beard.
81.
Pilots in yard                                 This is "Hilton Hanoi":
                                               certainly not a rosy reality
                                               for fastidious tastes but
                                               certainly human.
82.
Marching training company                      And now we will show you film
                                               scenes circulated in the USA.
                                               American soldiers are
                                               undergoing special training
                                               here
83.
Billboards in training camp                    before being sent to Vietnam:
                                               preparation
84.
Marching training company                      for "communist captivity".
85.
Instructors dressed as Vietnamese              American instructors have
                                               dressed up as Vietnamese with
                                               straw hats, they are wearing
                                               simulated insignia and have
                                               the flag of the enemy on
                                               their backs.
86.
In the camp: "communist" slogans               This is the milieu in which
                                               the US variant of modern
                                               fascism complacently puts
                                               itself on show.
87.
In the camp:               Commentary:         Push ups on posts over a mud
Instructors torture soldiers.                  puddle. The  arms are pushed
Scenes correspond to text                      aside.
                                               "Captured" Americans are
                                               questioned.
                                               Evil-smelling substances
                                               intensify the procedure.
                                               The dirt treatment.
                                               Interrogation at the
                                               bottom of a musty hole.
                    
                                               Noise torture. Anyone
                                               subjected to this for
                                               more than 20 minutes suffers
                                               total physical collapse.
                                               "Captured" Americans must
                                               move themselves forward at a
                                               crawl. At the end of their
                                               course they fall into a hole
                                               where sand fills their
                                               noses, mouths and eyes.
                                               Depressive games designed to
                                               break the will of the
                                               prisoner.
                                               A man is locked in the
                                               pillory. Obnoxious
                                               liquids are poured on his
                                               head to attract flies
                                               and other insects.
                                               Americans at the moment of
                                               "capture": from the very
                                               first minute on, they are
                                               beaten.
                                               Heads in sacks indicate the
                                               possibility of an impending
                                               execution.
88.
Magazine is flipped open,  Author's            Large illustrated magazines
photographs laid out       Commentary:         have also published photo
                                               series of this training camp
                                               for American soldiers. We
                                               took a series of such
                                               photographs with us to
                                               Vietnam.
89.
Hubbard declares,          X:                  Will you please do me a
examines photos                                favour and carefully examine
                                               these pictures and then try
                                               to express your thoughts to
                                               us. For your clarity I wish
                                               only to tell you that these
                                               are photographs from the
                                               French illustrated
                                               "Paris-Match" and the West
                                               German illustrated "Stern".
                           Hubbard:            This, ah, this is to deal
                                               with the enemy?
                           X:                  Yes, that has something to do
                                               with the enemy. American
                                               soldiers are taught there now
                                               they are allegedly to be
                                               treated in case of
                                               communist captivity.
                           Hubbard:            I never, I've never received
                                               any training of this type.  I
                                               don't know . . . I went
                                               through survival school, but
                                               they didn't , nobody ever did
                                               this to me. In fact, I think,
                                               I would have been pretty
                                               upset if anybody had tried to
                                               do this to me.
                             X:                I'd like to ask you a few
                                               definite questions. Is your
                                               situation here as a prisoner
                                               comparable with the situation
                                               depicted in these pictures?
                                               Did someone here in North
                                               Vietnam.
90.
Illustrated photo                              step on your stomach as
pictures?                                      shown here in these
91.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, nobody's ever jumped on
                                               my stomach that I recall
92.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Were you tied to a stake and
                                               exposed to intense heat of
                                               the sun for hours on end?
93.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, sir.
94.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Did you have to kneel down on
                                               a log until you collapsed?
95.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, sir.
96.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Did you ever have Vietnamese
                                               guards wearing these
                                               wide-brimmed straw hats on
                                               their heads?
97.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            No, sir, I never, well, I've
                                               worn one of  these .....when
                                               I was captured they gave me
                                               one of these little hats to
                                               keep the sun off my head.
                                               But that's the only time
                                               that I have ever seen one.
                           X:                  Were you thrown
98.
Illustrated photo                              to the ground by one of your
                                               guards and choked
99.
Hubbard declares                               until your eyes popped out
                                               of their sockets?
                           Hubbard:            I, I, not that I know of,
                                               sir. I do not know sir.
100.
Torkelson declares,        Torkelson:          It looks like they are trying
examines photos                                to portray the, the that we
                                               should expect to be treated
                                               over here, and, if we are,
                                               and I was shot down and
                                               captured. Ah, it looks like
                                               they're trying to teach them
                                               how or what to expect when
                                               they are shot down.
                           X:                  That's right, and since we
                                               are of the same opinion, I'd
                                               like to ask you a couple of
                                               precise questions about your
                                               imprisonment here:
101.
Illustrated photo                              Did someone tie you to a
                                               stake and leave you standing
                                               in blazing sun light as ist
102.
Torkelson declares                             shown in one of those
                                               photographs here?
                           Torkelson:          No, they did not.
                           X:                  Did someone force you to
                                               kneel down on a
                                               log with extended arms
103.
Illustrated photo                              until you collapsed?
104.
Torkelson declares         Torkelson:          Ah no, I didn't, I wasn't.
                           X:                  Did anyone step on your
                                               stomach
105.
Illustrated photo                              as is portrayed in one of
                                               these pictures?
106.
Torkelson declares         Torkelson:          No, they did not.
107.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Were your Vietnamese guards,
                                               with whom you talked, wearing
                                               straw hats such as these?
108.
Torkelson declares         Torkelson:          Ah no, they didn't have hats
                                               like these.
                           X:                  Then these photographs
                                               obviously depict
                                               more or less the cliche'-idea
                                               of a communist
                                               opponent spread among the
                                               American armed forces. Or do
                                               these photographs reflect
                                               even a iota of reality?
                           Torkeson:           Ah, well, no, they haven't
                                               treated me like in the
                                               pictures portrayed here.
109.
Shively declares,          X:                  Lieutenant Shively, can you
                                               explain what is examines
                                               photos going on here?
                           Shively:            I, I am not sure, but it
                                               looks like, a some
                                               kind of a guerrilla training.
                                               Perhaps, a simulated prisoner
                                               of war camp, or something
                                               such as this. It looks from
                                               the photos that this ist an
                                               army, army-type thing.
                           X:                  Yes, you are absolutely
                                               right. It is a training camp
                                               near Columbus in the United
                                               States and members of the
                                               American armed forces
                                               are given special training
                                               there to prepare them for the
                                               possibility of captivity in
                                               Vietnam.
                           Shively:            Yes sir. The only training in
                                               a prisoner of war kind of
                                               situation I took at, sted Air
                                               Force Base, has a survival
                                               school there in which they
                                               had a simulated prisoner of
                                               war camp set up.
110.
Illustrated photos         X:                  Well, I want to ask you this:
                                               As a captive here, did anyone
                                               step on your stomach?
111.
Shively declares           Shively:            (laughing) No sir.
112.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Did someone force you to
                                               kneel down on a log so long
                                               that you collapsed?
113.
Shively declares           Shively:            No sir, no sir.
114.
Illustrated photo          X:                  Did someone bind you to a
                                               stake in blazing sunlight and
                                               wait for you to break down
                                               physically?
115.
Shively declares           Shively:            No sir. They certainly did
                                               not.
116.
Illustrated photo          X:                  And did your Vietnamese
                                               guards wear pointed sun hats
                                               like those to be seen in
                                               these pictures?
117.
Shively declares           Shively:            No sir, no sir.
                           X:                  Then the psychological advice
                                               given American soldiers about
                                               captivity seems to digress
                                               sharply from reality?
                           Shively:            Yes sir. It is certainly farm
                                               from what I had been taught
                                               to expect once I was on the
                                               ground, sir.
                           X:                  Now, try to explain that.
                                               Doesn't it have something to
                                               do with the fact that the
                                               opponent is made to look
                                               extremely malicious, or in
                                               other words, satanic, in
                                               order to increase morale
                                               among the troops? Shively:
                                               Sir, that could very well be
                                               part of it. They certainly
                                               don't want to teach us to
                                               like the enemy and I think
                                               another part of it is that
                                               they really don't know what
                                               kind of treatment to expect
                                               and I think they are trying
                                               to prepare a man for the
                                               worst, prepare him for the
                                               worst possible situation and
                                               then if it isn't that bad, he
                                               will feel somewhat better
                                               about the whole situation.
                           X:                  On that, I disagree with you.
                                               I rather think that part and
                                               parcel of the standard idea
                                               of communism is to say that
                                               inferior people rule there.
                           Shively:            Yes, sir. I feel that most
                                               people in the United States,
                                               myself included, feel that if
                                               we should ever fall into the
                                               hands of the communists
                                               when we are fighting against
                                               them, then we will certainly
                                               be able to expect very bad
                                               treatment. Yes, sir, I think
                                               most soldiers, most pilots,
                                               most people in the United
                                               States generally, have this
                                               concept.
                           X:                  That is the concept of
                                               anti-communism.
                           Shively:            Yes, sir.
118.
In the camp:               Commentary:         This is how the human brain
Instructor bangs soldier's                     must be treated If it is to
head against wall                              absorb anti-communist
                                               thinking. The Pentagon kills
                                               two birds here with one
                                               stone: On the one hand the
                                               communist enemy is made to
                                               look monstrous, and on the
                                               other, the American soldier
                                               isosystematically brutalized.
119.
Shively declares:          X:                  Lieutenant Shively, you gave
                                               us a very impressive
                                               description of your
                                               experience in detention here
                                               and concluded that it was
                                               quite different from that
                                               which you had expected. It
                                               was all very convincing and
                                               came like a shot. And so I
                                               would like to ask you a
                                               question, a very direct
                                               question: did you learn to
                                               give such answers? Have you
                                               been brainwashed, to use a
                                               word coined by officialdom of
                                               the USA? You know what I
                                               mean?
120.
Fade:
Shively to decapitated                         - Music  -
NLF fighter, zoom to full
photo. The picture is expanded.
121.
Torkelson declares         X:                  There is ample evidence that
                                               captured members of the
                                               National Liberation Front of
                                               South Vietnam are brutally
                                               tortured and murderet
                                               in South Vietnam. Do you
                                               approve of this?
     
                           Torkelson:          Ah well, ah, I don't think of
                                               course that this is
                                               necessarily right, but I
                                               think it is inevitable
                                               that it will happen in a
                                               situation like this.
122.
Repeatscene with           Commentary:         "It is inevitable that it
decapitated heads                              will happen in a situation
                                               like this"  -- says American
                                               First Lieutenant Torkelson.
123.
Torkelson declares         X:                  Lieutenant Torkelson, an
                                               Americn office in Saigon has
                                               on display the car of a Viet
                                               cong prisoner bottled in
                                               alcohol. Do you think this is
                                               true?
                           Torkelson:          Ah, it is possible, yes.
124.
Photo:                     Commentary:         Mascot of the US 1st Cavalry
US soldier holds                               Division.
skull with cigar
and hat
125.
Skull fades out                                the skull of a fighter of the
                                               South Vietnamese National
                                               Liberation Front.
126.
SS death head                                  Another Nuremberg is in the
                                               making.
127.
Photo series:                                  - Music  -
US soldiers in South Vietnam   
with captured and dead NLF 
fighters; torture and
interrogation scenes.
128.
Thorsness declares         Thorsness:          Yes, sir, I, ah, I am
                                               satisfied with the manner or
                                               the way I have been treated
                                               since my capture. The people
                                               that captured me treated me
                                               quite well. Shortly after
                                               capture I was given food and
                                               I was given water, and I have
                                               not been starved, not been
                                               deprive d of my basic needs,
                                               ah, food, clothing or shelter
                                               and I'm, I can say, I am not
                                               dissatisfied. Obviously
                                               whatever you have you want
                                               more, that's human nature.
                                               But my basic needs have been
                                               satisfied. And we are allowed
                                               to wash and a place to eat
                                               and sleep, so I'm, I am being
                                               treated quite well, as far
                                               as, as far as I am concerned.
129.
Risner declares            X:                  Colonel Risner, are you
                                               currently suffering from an
                                               illness?
                           Risner:             I, it's strange that you
                                               should ask, but yes, I have a
                                               very active kidney stone and
                                               for the past thierty days or
                                               more intermittently I am in
                                               very intense pain and I have
                                               received medical attention
                                               for it to assist me during
                                               the time of pain. I've also
                                               received medicine for
                                               sickness at the time since I
                                               have been a prisoner.
                           X:                  We saw immediately that, in
                                               contrast to the other pilots
                                               with whom we have spoken, you
                                               don't exactly radiate
                                               healthiness; you have shadows
                                               under your eyes and are very
                                               pale. Is this because of your
                                               illness?
                           Risner:             It perhaps does, ah, of
                                               course, despite the fact that
                                               the Vietnamese authorities
                                               have, they have actually made
                                               an effort which I appreciate,
                                               but they have made an
                                               effort to help me maintain a
                                               good state of health, and
                                               despite that my situation is
                                               not conducive to happiness of
                                               course, and eben though we
                                               are well fed and we are even
                                               sometimes given vitamins
                                               perhaps the diet has
                                               something to do with it. I
                                               don't really know what causes
                                               it to look like this, but
                                               perhaps my sickness has had
                                               somethng to do with my looks,
                                               yes.
130.
Pilots in camp decorate       Commentary:      Here captured pilots are
X-mas tree                                     celebrating Christmas in a
                                               Vietnamese prison camp.
                                               During Christmas 1967
                                               American airplaines also
                                               dropped their bombs on the
                                               DRV:
131:
Nativity scene                                 "From Heaven above. . . .
132
Bomb explosions                                "To Thee I Come."
133.
Hubbard declares           Hubbard:            Yes, sir. We had a Christmas
                                               tree and a small nativity
                                               scene set on the table, with
                                               a cross at Christmas time,
                                               and I was allowed to visit a
                                               minister Easter time.
                           X:                  Lieutenant Hubbard, do you
                                               have the opportunity to
                                               exchange letters with your
                                               family?
                           Hubbard:            Yes, sir. I have written to
                                               my family several times and I
                                               have received two letters
                                               from my family.
134.
Alvarez declares           X:                  Lieutenant Alvarez, during
                                               your long period of captivity
                                               have you contacted your
                                               relatives at home?
                           Alvarez:            Yes, I've, I had contact.
                                               Letters, written
                                               letters from my family.
                           X:                  How many ? I mean how many?
                           Alvarez:            I have written, I have
                                               written about 20
                                               letters in almost 3 years.
                           X:                  And how many did you receive
                                               from your relatives?
                           Alvarez:            From my family, my parents
                                               and my wife I have reseived,
                                               I'd say, about 40 letters.
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