FLYNN, ROBERT JAMES

Name: Robert James Flynn
Rank/Branch: O3/US Navy, pilot
Unit: Attack Squadron 196, USS CONSTELLATION
Date of Birth: 15 September 1937 (La Crosse WI)
Home City of Record: Houston MN
Date of Loss: 21 August 1967
Country of Loss: China
Loss Coordinates: 213300N 1073200E (YJ519957)
Status (in 1973): Released POW
Category:
Aircraft/Vehicle/Ground: A6A
Missions: 71

Other Personnel in Incident: Jimmy L. Buckley (ashes returned); from other A6s:
Forrest G. Trembley and Dain V. Scott (both missing); Leo T. Profilet and
William M. Hardman (both released POWs); on USAF F105s: Lynn K. Powell and
Merwin L. Morrill (both remains returned)

Source: Compiled by Homecoming II Project with the assistance of Task Force
Omega from one or more of the following: raw data from U.S. Government agency
sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families, published sources, interviews.
Date Compiled: 15 March 1990. Updated by the P.O.W. NETWORK 2008.

REMARKS: 730315 RELEASED BY RED CHINA

SYNOPSIS: On August 21, 1967, four aircraft launched from the USS
CONSTELLATION with the assignment to strike the Duc Noi rail yard four miles
north of Hanoi. The aircraft flew from Attack Squadron 196, based on board
the carrier.

The route from the coast-in point was uneventful with the exception of some
large weather cells building up. Further along their route they received
indications of launched Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAMs) and observed bursting
85mm anti-aircraft fire.

Lieutenant Commander "J" Forrest G. Trembley, bombardier/navigator of one
Intruder, reported he had been hit and he was advised to reverse course and
return to the coast. He transmitted that he was experiencing no difficulty
and would proceed to the target rather than egress alone. Commander Jimmy L.
Buckley was the pilot of this aircraft. Several SAMs had been launched at
this time and a transmission was made "Heads up for the Air Force strike"
which was being conducted in the vicinity of the A-6 target. An aircraft was
hit which was thought to be an Air Force aircraft.

Two F105D aircraft, flown by Air Force Major Merwin L. Morrill and 1Lt. Lynn
K. Powell, were shot down at this approximate location on August 21, 1967.
It is believed that one of these is the aircraft referred to in Navy
information concerning this incident. The remains of both Air Force crewmen
were repatriated on June 3, 1983. While Morrill had been classified Missing
in Action, it was believed that he was dead. Powell was classified as Killed
in Action/Body Not Recovered.

The division leader was hit while in the target area and two good parachutes
were observed. The crew of this A6, Commander William M. Hardman and Capt.
Leo T. Profilet, were captured by the North Vietnamese. Both men were
released from captivity on March 15, 1973.

The other three aircraft began their egress from the target. Surface-to-air
missiles (SAMs) were in flight everywhere and the aircraft were maneuvering
violently. A large weather cell separated them from the coast which
precluded their egress further north than planned.

Another transmission was heard -- "Skipper get out" -- and the voice was
recognized as that of Lieutenant Commander Trembley. A SAM detonated between
two of the other aircraft, two parachutes and flying debris were observed.
Lieutenant Commander Trembley transmitted, "This is Milestone 2, Milestone 1
was hit, 2 good chutes, 2 good chutes." The multitude of SAMs along with
deteriorating weather may be the reason for the flight to ultimately stray
well north of their planned egress track. It was believed that Lieutenant
Commander Trembley's aircraft was shot down in the vicinity of the Chinese
boarder.

Trembley and his BN, Dain V. Scott, were placed in a Missing In Action
casualty status. Their case was discussed with the Chinese government by
then Congressmen Hale Boggs and Gerald Ford, with very little information
being obtained.

In their navigation around the weather, one of the remaining two A-6
aircraft observed MIGS in a run out of the overcast above Lieutenant
Commander Flynn's aircraft. Requests for assistance were radioed but went
unanswered. The tracking of the aircraft by airborne early warning aircraft
showed them crossing the Chinese border. The maximum penetration was about
eleven miles. A visual search could not be conducted due to poor weather in
the vicinity of the last known position.

Later that day Peking Radio reported "two U.S. A-6 aircraft were shot down
when they flagrantly intruded into China airspace and one crewman was
captured". Lieutenant Commander Flynn was held prisoner in China, his pilot,
Commander Jimmy L. Buckley, was reportedly killed in the shoot down.

On March 15, 1973 Lieutenant Commander Flynn was repatriated to U.S.
jurisdiction in Hong Kong and returned to the United States. The ashes of
Commander Jimmy L. Buckley were returned by the Chinese in December 1975.

Two Air Force bombers and three of the four Navy aircraft on the strike
mission on August 21, 1967 were shot down. Trembley and Scott, of the eight
Americans shot down on August 21, 1967, are the only two who remain Missing
in Action.

When American involvement in the Vietnam war ended by means of peace accords
signed in 1973, Americans held in countries other than Vietnam were not
negotiated for. Consequently, almost all of these men remain missing. During
the Nixon Administration and following administrations, relations with China
have eased, but the U.S. seems reluctant to address the years-old problem of
the fate of her men in China.

Since the war ended, nearly 10,000 reports have been received relating to
Americans missing in Southeast Asia. Many authorities believe there are
hundreds who are still alive, held captive. Whether Trembley and Scott could
be among them is not known. What seems certain, however, is that they have
been abandoned for political expediency.

In 1997, Commander Flynn provided the P.O.W. NETWORK with detailed
information regarding his career -

Flynn attended the University of Minnesota from 1955-58 (pre-law).
6 July 58  - He entered Naval Service as a cadet.
20 June 60 - Designated NFO (TC-N-48) Number 48 (NAO-N)
24 Feb 61  - Designated PAC FLT Bomadier/Navigator number 025.
June 1963 - Married Mary Kathryn

Commander Flynn and his Pilot, LCDR. Jimmy L. Buckley were shot down on 21
Aug 67. Flynn says, "Neither I nor my aircraft were ever in Chinese airspace
or territory! I was removed to China after capture in North Vietnam and
incarcerated in RED CHINA - the Peoples Republic of China, in Peking."

Jimmy Buckley was killed in the shootdown. Commander Flynn suffered severe
spinal compression fractures and severe wrenching of all muscle and skeletal
joints during ejection.

After arriving in Peking, Flynn endured more than 2,030 days of consecutive
solitary confinement. The winter of '67/68 (his first in China) he had no
warm clothes. He endured 3 separate incidents of extened handcuff torture -
one lasting 7 days, one 30 days and one 60 days. No other serviceman in our
Nation's history has ever endured a longer period of solitary confinement.

Robert Flynn credits his survival to several teachers -
* Father Michael J. Quislie of St. Mary's of Houston, MN.
* Frederic Haver, football coach and history teacher, Houston High, Houston,
MN.
* Gunny Sergeant Gus Aiken, USMC, Drill Instructor for the Pre-flight class
28-58 Drill Team.

Flynn returned to U.S. control 15 March 1973. He says "Thank God" and his
special helpers - H. Ross Perot, Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon.

Among his awards and decorations is the Legion of Merit with Combat
Distinguishing Device. He returned to school and studied International
Relations - China and the Far East, in 76-77. He medically retired as a
Naval Commander in 1985 after 27 years of service.

He is an avid waterfowl hunter, enjoys fishing, flyfishing, swimming and
snorkeling. When not on or in the water, he enjoys bicycling, reading and
gourmet cooking. He and his wife of 35 years, Kathy, reside in Florida,
where Flynn is involved in a small business venture - "building a unique 23'
classic custom open sea skiff with Caribiana Sea Skiffs, Inc."

They have a daughter, Elizabeth, married and living on the west coast, and a
son, Robert Jr., who also resides in Florida.
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In May of 1998, the NETWORK had a long conversation with CDR Flynn. He
related, in great detail, time in captivity with civilian John T. Downey,
captured 11/29/52 and held until 03/12/73. He also spent time with civilian
Richard Fecteau, captured 11/29/52 and released from China 12/12/71. He said
Richard was a Yale Football player who spent his time in captivity jumping
rope. Flynn never understood where the energy came from! One day he said, he
noticed him eating the "meal of the day," rice gruel. "I had all I could do
to eat one bowl," and he was eating SIX! Fecteau went on, he says, to
Harvard, married, and became a lawyer. All three speak about once a year.
Flynn is still searching the Guinness Book of World Records for the jump
rope record Fecteau should have, he says. John Downey has a book relating
his story, on the market.

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Time as POW marked with solitude, honor

Troy Moon • tmoon@pnj.com • July 4, 2008

Want to know the price of freedom?

Ask the family member of a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine killed in war.

They know all too well.

Or ask retired Navy Cmdr. Robert Flynn, 70, a Pensacola resident.

Flynn spent 5½ years in a Chinese prison after his A-6 Intruder was shot down over North Vietnam on Aug. 21, 1967. He was released on March 15, 1973.

Of the 2,032 days he spent in captivity, 2,030 were spent in solitary confinement — longer than any U.S. military service member in history, according to the POW Network.

"The most terrible part was the solitude, the solitude, the solitude," Flynn said softly from his home in the Landfall subdivision off Gulf Beach Highway. "What do you do with all that time? All those hours? All those days and years?"

Flynn, who celebrated his 45th year of marriage to wife Kathy last month, had two young children at home when he was captured in 1967. Daughter Beth was just 3, and son Robert wasn't quite 1 year old.

What did he do with all those days and years of uncertainty and loneliness?

"I'd think of my family," he said. "I'd plan parties, birthdays, anniversaries for everyone. And I would imagine that Kathy bought some land in Alaska and gold was discovered there. And I had the biggest gold mine going. I had all kinds of people working for me — people I knew. And I ran a big imaginary corporation. That's what I did."

'An unnatural thing'

Flynn's hunting buddy and fellow POW, retired Air Force Col. George "Bud" Day, is one of the only humans on the earth who can understand, at least partially, what Flynn went through.

Day, now 83, was captured by North Vietnamese troops six days after Flynn and released one day earlier. But Day at least had some support from other U.S. troops, including Sen. John McCain with whom he once shared a cell in Hanoi.

"Solitary is a really terrible thing," said Day, a Shalimar attorney. "I spent a lot of time in solitary, and frankly I didn't like it. It's such an unnatural thing. You go into solitary, and the mind and the memories are all you have got. So you're drawing from a lot of resources to keep all your marbles in the bag."

Pilot killed

Flynn was a navigator/bombardier aboard an A-6 Intruder in the summer of 1967 when he and the pilot, Cmdr. Jimmy L. Buckley, were shot down during a bombing mission, targeting a Hanoi railroad yard.

Both men ejected, descending about 40 yards apart.

"I hit the ground, and about a second and a half later he hit the ground," Flynn said. "When I got untangled from my shoot and over to him, it was obvious that he was dead."

Flynn tried to perform CPR on Buckley.

"I couldn't do too much, my back was broken," he said. "I couldn't feel his pulse and knew was dead."

Flynn dove under a pile of brush and covered himself with dirt but soon was captured by North Vietnamese militia members. He was only 29.

"It was a bad situation, but the trick was not to make it worse," he said. "Nothing would have been gained by staying with the pilot who was dead. Myself, I wasn't worried about being dead. I was worried about being captured."

A bad picture

Flynn was driven to a military barracks. He knew immediately something was wrong with the picture — literally.

"I looked at the wall, and there was a picture of Mao Tse-Tung instead of Ho Chi Minh. I thought, 'Man, this has been a bad day, but it can't be this bad,' " Flynn recalled. "Because they were Chinese, not Vietnamese."

Flynn said U.S. intelligence had discovered Chinese troops working in North Vietnam so as to free up North Vietnamese fighters for the war with the United States.

The barracks were in North Vietnam, but soon, Chinese troops loaded Flynn onto a stretcher and then onto a truck for a journey north into China.

Eventually, Flynn arrived in Peking, now Beijing.

"I didn't think I was going to die or be murdered," he said. "I figured I'd be worth more as a hostage than a dead body."

Meanwhile, wife Kathy was back in Oak Harbor, Wash., trying to care for the children and all the time worrying about her husband.

She saw her husband on a television news program shortly after he was captured.

"I watched my husband being led through the street being beat on," she said. "It was a real dose of reality."

Flynn said he never gave into the brutal treatment or torture during his years in captivity. He held his own the best he could.

"They told me that I was one of the most reactionary prisoners in their history," he said. "And yes, that makes me proud. I was the worst case they ever had. But I was smart enough to know I didn't do it myself. I asked God to help."

Three times, Flynn endured extended handcuff torture — periods of seven, 30 and 60 days with his hands and arms twisted behind his back.

"You can't wash, and how do you eat?" he asked. "How do you wipe your butt when they give you ex-lax the day before? See, they didn't miss a trick."

Letters from home

After a year, Flynn was allowed to receive mail. He said letters — and cigarettes — from home kept him hopeful.

"The most emotional moments in my life were when I started getting the letters from Kathy," he said.

Flynn would write back, using pieces of cigarette packages as stationary, hoping that the letters would soon be replaced by a true reunion.

He figured he would spend about three years in prison.

"When three years came and went, it was a real letdown" he said. "A real depressing situation."

The brutality continued.

"They'd mess with you mentally," Flynn said. "The mental deal was you cannot be released until you are sentenced. You cannot be sentenced until you have been tried. You can't be tried unless you confess, so unless you confess your crimes, you can't get out of here. Well, I didn't have anything to confess. But it was all threats and they were always open-ended. You never had a chance to grasp the end of a proposition."

Handcuff torture

Once, while in extended 'cuff torture, Flynn was brought before 12 Chinese guards and "read the riot act."

They charged him with various crimes against the Vietnamese and Chinese people. Radio Peking was on in the background, and the guards told him that he didn't even listen to Radio Peking properly.

Just then, a song titled "The Internationale" — also called "The Communist International" — came on the radio, a favorite of Chinese communists.

Flynn started singing along. But his thrilled captors didn't realize at first that their defiant captor had written his own lyrics.

"They were happy. They said, 'You're singing our song,' " Flynn said. "Then they realized Mao Tse-Tung rhymes with dung. Twelve guys piled on me. But when 12 guys pile on you, you don't get hurt. How can they hurt you? It's just a monkey pile."

A frightened family

Back in the states, Flynn's wife and children led their everyday lives the best they could, all the while keeping hope he would someday return.

"I was so young when he was captured and didn't really have an understanding of war or being a prisoner," said his daughter, Beth Cruz, 44, who now lives in Arizona. "My mother told me all the facts, but I couldn't comprehend it. I just wanted my Daddy."

Flynn remained defiant in China, counting on his faith to guide him through.

Raised a Catholic, he repeatedly prayed to Our Lady of the Snows and recited the Serenity Prayer and the 46th Psalm.

"I figured out what I had to do to do my job," he said. "I had to remember God, duty, honor, country, family and self. Without God, there's nothing, OK? Without God, I couldn't do my duty. And if I couldn't do my duty, there was no honor. And if there was no honor, I couldn't face my country. And if I couldn't face my country, then I'm no good to my family or myself. So I worried about God and the rest fell into place."

Glimmers of hope

As the U.S. presence in Vietnam wound down in 1973, Flynn saw glimmers of hope.

"About four months before I was released, they came in and told me I needed to get shots," Flynn said. "I asked why I needed shots, and they said for a passport. I thought I might be going someplace."

Two months later, the guards told Flynn he needed to be photographed for a passport. They also told him that he would be attending a "formal releasing ceremony."

"That sounded like a good deal to me," he said. "Any releasing ceremony was a good deal."

But it wasn't for Flynn. His Chinese captors took him into a room filled with cameras.

Someone began reading charges against "the culprit Flynn" charging him with crimes against China and the "people of the world."

"They said to sign it," Flynn said. "I did an about-face and started out of there. I don't know whether it was guts or lack of brains because I was thinking I had been offered a free ride, but I screwed it up. But it wasn't for me to sign. I hadn't committed any crimes."

His captors took him back to his cell. Flynn was crushed.

But six hours later, guards told him to get ready to leave in the morning.

Flynn and another prisoner were taken to Hong Kong by his Chinese captors. Both men were released into U.S. custody on March 15, 1973.

He was transported to the Philippines for three days, then to a hospital in San Francisco, where his wife and children were waiting.

"It was tremendously exciting and fulfilling," he said. "Oh yeah, lots of tears and hugs. I rolled around the floor with the kids. Beth was so excited. Rob was a bit hold-backish, but not much. We played and it was almost too good to be true."

Finally home

Flynn would spend the next years integrating himself back into his family's life.

"I was just very proud of Kathy and the job she had done," he said. "I was trained to do what I had to do; she wasn't. But she still had to handle a tremendous load. And she did a wonderful job."

Flynn was still a Naval officer, and in 1977, he was assigned to Pensacola Naval Air Station, where he had attended flight school years earlier.

He finally retired from the Navy in 1985.

Today, Flynn still suffers from some of the physical injuries he suffered during his shoot-down and captivity. He has leg problems, skin problems, arthritis.

But he said he regrets nothing — other than getting captured in the first place.

"I wouldn't want to do it again," he said. "But it was part of the experience of my life. Life is sort of an adventure. Sometimes, the adventure gets out of hand. But they're adventures."